Almost 40 years ago the rangemaster at a local military skeet range gave me a recipe for 2.75" and 3/4 oz. that I used to teach a 12 year old boy to shoot. To show it wasn't just a boy's load, I used it when we shot doves out of a 3200. It was deadly and a pleasure to shoot out of an 8 lbs. gun. Only specific component I recall was Win AA hulls, solid brass heads. Gil