Interesting remark-- about 10 years ago, in his shop in Grand Rapids, the now late Brad Bachelder showed me a fine looking British 12 bore he had in the sale rack- Sorry, I forget the name off hand, but it would take an Arnold Schwartener to close it- Brad referred to it as a "wrist breaker"--and if memory serves, in Jack O'Connor's "The Shotgun Book" he relates a story about a prospective Limey client remarking that the gun he was examining with a view to buying "sure was hard to close".. It was a self-opening Purdey, and the clerk said: "My dear Mr. Jones, our clients do Not close their guns!"" RWTF