Thanks- should have thought about good old EX-LAX-BAY. Problem is- those schmucks want either a credit card, or a Pal-Pay thingy-neither of which I care to use- I prefer CIF or a USPS Money Order-less room for fraud- Now as to the M12 issue- In the 1938 Salesman's WRA Catalog- they mentioned that one can send a std. 12 ga. Model 12 back to the factory to be re-chambered for a 3 inch long shell-I'm a bit curious as to whether anyone ever had that done. The fact that the WRA designers felt their std. M12 would "stand the gaff"- back then is belied by the proof load tests their great M21 withstood circa 1930. As I have 2 12 bores that will handle 3" Magnum loads One is a 1940 M12 Heavy Duck, the other ain't) I am not going to try a 3" load in my Light12 A-5 (like, like a M-1 Garand is light)-- just wonderin' is all. RWTF