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Thank you for the information Doc. Im Looking forward to shooting it on some dairy birds soon. The case with the reloading items, the leather box, and cleaning rod was a real plus.
Chokes are open, and the bores measure very close to .626 and the chambers are 2 1/2”.
I will need to weight the barrels.

Thanks all, I now have a much better Idea on how to deal with my latest project!

Chief

The lettre annale is a 'g' for 1928
Cornell Pubs has an A&F 1929 catalog but it may not have been an A&F gun. The ones I've seen had the chamber length indicated in inches.
This one has FOR ABERCROMBIE & FITCH CO. on the R barrel
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/48/1616/cased-dumoulin-box-lock-model-double-barrel-shotgun
https://cornellpubs.com/product/874/

The tubes are fluid steel by Laurent Lochet-Habran and are Smokeless Powder proved, which was mandatory after 1924
Chambers 65 mm = 2 1/2"
At the time of proof the barrels weighed 1.369 Kg = or 3.02 #. If > 3% less now (from honing) they would be considered out of proof
The bore of 15.9 mm = .626" is odd; 20g was usually 15.6 mm = .615". The 9 may have actually been stamped upside down.
Muzzle dimensions were not marked after 1924

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It would be interesting to know exactly what that oil finish actually is, and then find something that would be compatible to use as a sealer and filler for the large pores. As damascus notes, common shellac might do it, but I wonder if using enough to fill the pores would shrink over time. Of course, a shellac topcoat could easily be removed with alcohol.

I have often thought about spraying two part Automotive Urethane Clear Coat as a gun stock finish. I need to prep an old stock to have ready to shoot with a couple coats of clear the next time I am painting a vehicle using base/clear. Carefully masking off any checkering with painters tape would be important. I think a few coats would easily fill most pores, and it would be easy to wet sand and polish to a nice smooth surface without cutting through... assuming it was compatible with the substrate. Of course, you would probably be stuck with the low VOC Clear Coat in Kalifornia, and I don't hear rave reviews about it.

Maybe find a Body Shop in Arizona that would hose it down with the good stuff...

A few pictures

straight out of the gouger's handbook.....at a local lion's club gunshow, a few weeks ago, i saw a fellow with various primers marked $240 - 260 per thousand - don't want to sound unkind....but i hope he chokes on them.

best regards,

tom

Yeah, Lloyd, I've been through the FFL Transfer thing where pre-1899 Antique guns are concerned several times. Many FFL's are just being overly cautious with guns that are clearly pre-1899 Antiques, or are simply too lazy to bother to verify date of manufacture.

I can't blame them for the overly cautious part, because in recent years, the anti-gun Democrats have pushed for terminating the licenses of FFL's who make even one inadvertent and totally unintentional error during a firearms transfer or in their record-keeping. Several years ago, I was discussing ATF regulations concerning Antiques with a local gun shop owner, and he called the nearest ATF Field Office to get clarification from them. The Agent he spoke with verified that a frame or receiver that was built prior to 1899 is considered to be an Antique, and should not even be entered into an FFL's Bound Ledger Book because an Antique is legally not considered to be a firearm. Still, many dealers will enter Antiques into their books, and do the Background Check that is required only for post-1898 firearms, even when you can show them the actual date of manufacture.

I did not know that anti-gun Democrat controlled Colorado has reimposed a 3-Day Waiting Period to buy a gun. I thought the NICS Background Checks were supposed to supplant all that. I recently heard that Colorado is also raising the legal age to buy a firearm. This is another Democrat Blue State that hates guns, yet will provide free syringes for drug addicts.

I recently gave my FFL guy the link to the "High Grade Shotgun Dates of Manufacture" that can be found in "Other Useful Information" on the Home Page of DoubleGunShop.com It certainly doesn't cover all guns, but is another useful source that FFL's can use to check dates of manufacture.

This all started with the GCA of 1968, when a pre-1899 Antique was just 70 years old. Now a gun must be at least 126 years old to be considered an Antique. I suppose one could just get a Curio & Relic License, but I've heard of C&R License holders who say they still run into difficulties when trying to buy a gun that is clearly legal to purchase as a C&R gun.

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden apparently will get no penalties for lying on a Form 4473 about his drug abuse and illegal handgun purchase, while his anti-gun Democrat father keeps doing end runs around the law to violate the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding citizens. When I was at that Gun Show last weekend, several vendors were talking about Biden's latest violation of the law by signing an Executive Order to impose Background Checks and FFL transfers on private sales. This crap is coming from a life-long anti-gun Democrat who won't do a damn thing about the illegal drugs that are killing roughly 300 U.S. citizens every day. That is far worse than a Boeing 737 crashing and killing all passengers every single day, yet anti-gun Democrats and Liberal Left Media are silent about it. Actually, they are responsible for it.

Nothing Trump ever did came close to such extreme violations of our Constitutional Rights or such wanton disregard for the lives and safety of our citizens. Yet we have fools right here who continue to make stupid excuses for why they intend to support and re-elect the corrupt anti-gunner Biden, and other anti-gun Democrats. Not only are these guys not on our side... they are proving beyond any doubt they are mentally unfit to own any guns.

You can try this:

maiso@wanadoo.fr

This is the last contact information I have for Michel, Grandson of the founder of the company. I last had contact in perhaps 2006 or so. He reads, writes and speaks English.

This was an address for the firm:

13 rue Clement Forissier, Saint Etienne

Since you likely won’t ever meet anyone who would argue with you about what the case label looked like, you could likely use the form from one of the catalogs. A graphic artist could probably work wonders with this:



Best,
Ted

I agree with everything you said above.
I hope somebody else feels like they can give it a good home.

Yes LK, the fact that it hit where it was aimed made me want to post it. Thanks.

Graham;

Thank you very much. It seems to me that these tasks are not for the amateur or the faint hearted, especially being able to "just break the smoke" on jointing a double rife. I would like to be standing in a shop to watch it being done.

Stephen Howell

Keith:

If the people who hold it weren't idiots I'd probably be more tempted. It's age is obvious and yet they still require a background check and a 3-day wait. Maddening...

Take care of that pup. I know how wonderful a good dog is to have. 😊

I go through there about 8 times a year. He told me to stop in and eat at his place, but I usually have my dog with me and am in a hurry and we fly right by. Maybe one day......... I always notice all the football state championships on the high school stadium when I go by. You guys take care down there.

The pics we need are full size high resolution of the action, any marks on the rib, the action flats, and the barrel flats and just forward of the flats
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/belgian-shotgun-identification-guide.232252/

If we can establish the DOM there are lots of A&F catalog repros available from Cornell Pubs
https://cornellpubs.com/shop/

Replacement stock? Mine has an Ithaca buttplate.
Maybe the inletting needs some relief.
3 position safety out of adjustment?

I think it’s been apart, and maybe is just poorly reassembled.

Beautiful gun, but I don’t need another Crass.

No idea about the autos and XtraGrain, but all the XtraWood O/U's I have ever seen had a different Grip cap that identified them.

They made good, serviceable guns.
Plenty of them around.

Dumoulin , like many. Belgian makers, could make guns from the highest quality, to a lower price point. I have a steel barreled hammer Dumoulin with deep chiseled engraving and gold names. It is a rather high quality gun. I don’t know what the A and F case is like. It could be worth a few hundred in itself. Being a 20 gauge hammer gun is a step up in value.

Gus is holding his own. No one really recovers from oral nonpigmented melanoma, but he is doing far better than expected by the vet. He is enjoying the spring, and we are taking everything one day at a time.

Thanks for asking

On a shotgun the ideal would be >.002" /.004" . Please note the word ideal .
On a double rifle if would have been enough to " break the smoke " ,as in enough not to bare .

Graham

Many tree slab cutters do the pressure injected resin technique to stabilize big table slabs.
It follows bug runs, cracks unseen,crevices,worm holes, etc.

I’ve seen some videos where it was done by vacuum and also by gravity.

A highly figured blank might really respond to the treatment.

I’d impregnate it with ebony black resin and see how it shaped up before I discarded it.

Partly out of curiousity, and partly because synthetic and semi synthetic stocks are much more acceptable today.

Yes, 67galaxie got flooded in the August 30th hurricane and again a coupla weeks ago from what might have been a tornado. All dried out now, but he trembles when he hears thunder.

On the other hand he and I have been hunting turkeys several mornings a week since the GA season came in on April Fool's Day (fitting date to open a turkey season!). Galaxie scored this morning on a nice longbeard with his 8ga. English double...Geo

I found a F Dumoulin & Cie Liege 20 gauge yesterday at a local shop. It sports 30” barrels with great bores. This hammer gun seems to have been well cared for and comes in a A&F leather case.
It is tight on face and locks up tight. Wood is in excellent condition. It has pretty plain simple scroll engraving.
I am unfamiliar with the maker and am wondering about what others thoughts are on this maker.
I plan to take another look at it this morning and will take pictures.