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Indeed. He is racking up negatives pretty regularly now. Interesting that he is an "A" rated seller. I wonder how far he has to slip to become a "B"?

Read the last negative comment from the buyer. Most likely.

I would question the originality of the 26" barrels. What is the bore diameter and choke constriction? They would add some hints about the originality of those barrels.

In earlier times, the solid rib was not as disrespected by trapshooters as it is today. It is possible that a stock with less drop than field dimension could have been a trap gun. A stock with a 14 3/8" or more would prove it to be a trap stock. Trap Superposed guns were made with buttplates rather than recoil pads in the early days, all the way into the fifties.

I have seen this with many other triggers besides Jewel. When CZ first brought their center fire carbine, it had a set trigger. It was bad about the same thing, and experimentation showed that there was no way to get out of it. If you set the trigger with a chambered round and set the safety, there no course but to find a safe place to point it and hold on while you flipped the safety off. If I remember correctly, you could not cycle the bolt on safe. I suspect this is the reason the trigger wasn't sold for long. They did the same thing in a way with their factory replacement fot their rimfire rifles. Called a Hummingbird or something similar. Great trigger, but very easy to adjust past the point of reliability.

With the Jewel, it is sometimes related to the action and trigger needing to be timed as to engagement. It is more common with commercial and modified commercial actions than with high end clone actions.

What's fake about the Luger? I don't know a thing about them.

I see he has several more items with the same over-hyped salesmanship. Are they all crooked?

Exquisite engraving!! On both guns!!👍

Well, the fraudulent seller just got another NEGATIVE from a guy that paid about $3,500 for a Luger that was faked.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1042425415

But the fraudulent seller is still selling on Gunbroker. Gunbroker has done nothing to stop him.

Looks good Bob

Sweet!

Kudos!

Nice stockwork

Pre-1913 Smiths were listed with some gradation of English Walnut, and French Walnut on higher grades

Made of Wow, Mister Cash. Please drop me your address so I can plan my retirement and dotage around burglarizing you and shooting porcelain penguins with that thing until its wood splits.

To finish this inquiry, these questions were really raised at last September Vintegers' shoot in Pennsylvania when I looked over a John Dickson central-fire dated per his records from 1865. On holding it I immediately said "converted pin-fire" and was met with hostility. The records proved me wrong.

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Nice gun, AGS.

I have 1901 for the 10 and 12 gauge (non-ejector). The year 1900 ended at 105917 for the 10 and 12 gauge (non-ejector). The serial numbers in 1901 went up to 111681 for that year. So, 1901 is correct.

This carries four boxes of 12 gauge if you want to carry something smaller.

These do have latches to keep them closed. They are just open right now.

These are really popular among clay target shooters. They're made by Shamrock Leather in Minnesota. The bags are just under $300.00. The side pouches are around $50-$60.00 a piece. They hold eight boxes of shells in the main bag. The smaller carrier holds 4 boxes of 12 gauge shells.

Didn't Lefever mostly use English walnut? That's a significant upgrade vs. most American walnut.

I weighed Last Dollar's 28" Lefever 12 and it is right at 7 lbs. I have another one with very, very thick tubes. They slightly overhang the face of the action fences. It's disassembled but, I would guess it is well over 8 lbs. Has anyone else seen this overhang?

I envy how one could order what they wanted back in the day. You can't really configure a custom citori. Well Bob Cash does but his name is Cash.

Dave, new to site, a little something sent via wifes paypal Charci cause I havent a clue where she stashes all my money :-)

ChiefC

Fair enough, but judge a gun fully on its merits.

The later Elsies (especially in the lower grades) were cookie-cutter and mass-produced, as were all the American entry-level guns (especially after 1913 - when import tariffs on cheap foreign guns were dropped). Accordingly, they had issues associated with those early automated processes (one of them clearly being problems with stock-cracking). The very early guns (certainly pre-1900, with the Syracuse and the "transitional" Fulton guns being even more-so) were almost completely hand-made (in an artisanal process much-like what the Brits still use today [when they aren't using CNC machines]). As you would expect, these early guns were much better in every possible aspect (art, materials, fit & finish, & function). The numbers produced were very low (extremely low when compared to post-1913 production) and they are not "commonly" encountered. Until lately, good information about them was limited to basically one book (Brophy's) and a few resident experts (who weren't all that forthcoming with information either). I've been a gun-guy all my life and I knew almost nothing about the earlier guns. If you do happen to encounter one (and it's healthy) they normally command a fairly high price, and for good reason.

Make you a deal. I’ll just be honest. There are guns (and cars, and toasters, and washing machines, etc, etc, etc) that have issues. We will not pretend about them, and if guys are willing to live with and deal with those issues, so be it. You, do you.

But, we don’t pretend anymore. Fair enough?

Best,
Ted

Thanks for looking into this Dave.

I brought it up because it seems to be getting a bit worse over time. It has happened to me on two different P.C.'s and my Android phone, and using different WiFi networks, so didn't appear to be anything on my end. I figured it might be a sign of an incipient hardware failure.

Now Ted...play nice or I might end-up thinking I've been "casting pearls before swine" here.