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Re: wood charcoal for case color Cameron 08/01/21 05:43 PM
I have no idea, but as I read this, I think about the lump charcoal that one can purchase for grills such as the green egg. Not sure if a specific species of wood charcoal is preferred, but I know some of the lump charcoal is oak, some mixed hardwoods and some is probably hickory and perhaps some mesquite.
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison boxlock 12 gauge GLS 08/01/21 05:38 PM
While a wall thickness gauge to many is the final say in barrel measurement, don't sell short what a good bore gauge can discover. The Skeets bore gauge is once again available. Ebay lists them at $160 plus $15 shipping. At 12.5" long, it can be used to determine if the barrels have been reamed beyond what is considered out of proof by UK standards. While on a 30" gun, 5" in the center would be unmeasurable, but one would get a good indication of whether or not to move on or have measured further with a wall thickness gauge. Gil
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Re: Sauer side locks mc 08/01/21 05:33 PM
To me it looks like the bottom limb like a 1897 wr falling block is a rebound spring and it is a beautiful piece of work mark
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Re: History of early grip safety RichardBrewster 08/01/21 02:47 PM
Lovely gun. Thanks for posting. 14 1/2" LOP is nice for a gun of the period. I can't see anything at all to complain about except my lack of funds to buy it immediately!
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison boxlock 12 gauge boon hogganbeck 08/01/21 02:45 PM
You guys are good. I'm learning a lot. Thank you for taking the time. Yes, for me, this would certainly be a knockabout-in-the-woods grouse gun. It does come to my shoulder nicely and feels right. Well, an acquaintance of mine has gauges to measure thickness & choke, but he's out of town for a couple weeks. If it's still on the shelf when he returns, I'll take a look, and, if all seems right, maybe I'll throw out a lower number & see.
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Re: Sykes’ Patent shot belt Parabola 08/01/21 02:38 PM
https://imgur.com/a/gbQzsAh

Hi,

I have just signed up to imgur so if the above photo does not show 4 shot flasks blame them not me.

Thank you to everyone who helped with photos to help me with my question about how a Sykes patent shot flask operates.

I now know the answer as I stuck in a “cheeky bid”, £2 over bottom estimate at the last Holts sale and it won!

The one on the left is a modern repro , the middle 2 are Sykes patent, and the right hand one is unnamed and the odd one out.

The Sykes (and copy) have a shot measure with a slanted leading edge like a coal scoop.

When pushed into the flask, it slides under the bottom of the shutter forcing it upwards against the spring so that the shutter raises allowing shot to fill the measure.

When the thumb catch is depressed and the measure withdrawn the shutter descends to retain the rest of the shot in the flask.

The 2 genuine Sykes flasks are Adjustable 1 1/2, 1 3/4 and 2 oz.

That is achieved by an inner sleeve withdrawn by the button under the thumb catch, the inner sleeve is rotated slightly to disengage a stud from the 1 1/2 setting (much like an adjustable powder flask) withdrawn and reset to the quantity desired.

The odd one on the right is marked 1 1/2 and has no retaining shutter.

The measure has a squared off end with a slight scallop on one side.

Presumably the measure is withdrawn with the flask held upright, and the the lip of the flask held against the scallop to carefully decant enough shot .
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Re: Parker shotgun with side clips? gunut 08/01/21 01:49 PM
so then the Invincible is the "Best" grade Parker gun....the other grades are just also rans.....price point guns....some are lip sticked up quite a bit...but they are what they are..??..

Im more of a Fox gun person....but they admitted that the only real difference between the sterlingworth and the high grades was lipstick.....
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Re: Parker shotgun with side clips? Daryl Hallquist 08/01/21 01:33 PM
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Re: Fox Safety Interchangeability Parabola 08/01/21 12:42 PM
Temporary fix that also preserves originality would be to build up top of safety slide with epoxy putty to form a ramp for your thumb to push against.

It should break away fairly easily if you want to get rid of it.

Mind you don’t get any under the safety!

I have used it to build up, filing it to shape and right height, then painting Matt black, to raise the military barleycorn front sights of a couple of Martini carbines that shot very high at 100 yards.
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Re: Fox Safety Interchangeability ed good 08/01/21 12:41 PM
seek professional help...pm for referral...
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Re: WTB - December 2015 Double Gun Journal oohay 08/01/21 12:41 PM
Hello Buckstix , The Magazine you are looking for is listed in the back of my latest DGJ as available , Winter 2015 for 15.00 plus shipping ! The contact for the DGJ is { 1-800-447-1658 } ,Hope this helps ,I have the entire set but don't have any extra magazines to pass on ! OOhay
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Re: Fox Safety Interchangeability Hammergun 08/01/21 12:05 PM
I don't have a Savage Fox but my son owns one that is a transitional gun. It was made just after Savage took over production and the safety is the the Philly Fox version. That seems to indicate that they functioned and fit the same. I am unaware of any mechanical changes to Fox guns by Savage other than a few very late guns that utilized a draw bolt for the stock.
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Re: History of early grip safety ellenbr 08/01/21 11:04 AM
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Henri Mangeot Arquebusier à Bruxelles de S.M. le Roi des Pays - Bas


http://littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20ma/a%20mangeot%20gb.htm


Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison boxlock 12 gauge greener4me 08/01/21 10:01 AM
$650-750 is way over top value in my reckoning.
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison boxlock 12 gauge Lloyd3 08/01/21 05:35 AM
Mr. Dittamo does have a point here. If bought correctly (i.e. inexpensively), this gun could very well still have some good bird hunts left in it. Early British box locks are usually very well-made and the actions themselves are fairly sturdy. The key is finding out if the gun is truly functional and the barrels are safe. I bought a well-used but very light (6lbs6) Army & Navy BLE in nowhere Minnesota for $800 many years ago that actually was a darn-fine bird gun. It was extremely plain, with a plank for wood and weak ejectors, and it was out of proof (extended chambers) but not dangerously so. It fit me shockingly well and was choked light IC and almost IM(!), so I carried it for a few years and only shot light loads in it. The birds certainly didn't know it wasn't fancy. We all have to start somewhere. As an entry into better side by sides, if this gun's safe and... if it fits you tolerably well (good LOP, proper drop & cast, etc.), it might not be such a bad place to start. It certainly has much better engraving than my 1930s Army & Navy did.

For all the reasons I initially counseled against it, selling it may be something of a challenge for this shop at that asking price. If you can swing it, offer them $600 and see where it goes from there. The average backwoods Pennsylvania hunter (FWIW, I grew up there) doesn't know much about these guns and would be intimidated by it. A more well-heeled doublegun buyer would likely be put-off by it's initial appearance. A dedicated grouse hunter, however, might be able to find a bargain here... if he's cautious and does his homework.

Confirm that the gun has proof marks (hopefully British). Lots of information on the barrel flats helps you know it's really what it purports to be. With the longer barrels, this gun should weigh somewhere north of 6 1/2 lbs (I'd expect 6lbs9 to 6lbs12). Much more or less than that is a clue that something might be awry. Weigh it fully assembled (or even all the components) first, on a digital postal scale (if the shop doesn't have one, they're cheap and available at most Walmarts). Measure the chambers (if opened, hope for only a little), a 3-inch 12-gauge shell can do that job if a proper chamber gauge isn't available (it should not fit at all), ring the barrels (go onto YouTube and find out how) and then put them on a dead-straight surface to look for imperfections (bulges, dents, or deviations), find some snap caps (buy them if necessary, cheap plastic ones will work fine) and check the triggers, they should break cleanly, crisply, and feel good (not gritty or creepy). Check the ejectors for function as well, but even if one is weak or wanky (or both), that won't make the gun useless (and will simply be another negotiating point). Check the safety for proper function. It should be smooth yet firm, both on and off. Look closely for repaired cracks in the wrist (a weak point on these guns, especially the older ones). Look at the standing breach for damage and/or corrosion and see if the firing pin holes look symmetrical. Obviously damaged or oblong-ed holes are a concern. If you need to, use a flashlight (cellphone?) to see if you can determine if the noses on the pins look undamaged (they should be round and mostly-symmetrical as well). Make sure the forend fits properly and that everything locks up tightly when the gun closes. Absolutely nothing should feel loose (any wiggles anywhere and you walk). Look closely for any obvious signs of interior barrel damage or bad pitting (light freckling might be all right, bigger pits are a deal breaker). If the barrels are even a little dirty, have the shop fully clean them so you can properly inspect them by holding them up to a good light source. Also, confirm that they aren't blued Damascus (although unlikely, 1908 isn't too-late for that). Check the chokes using a dime. Skeet and IC should allow it to fully enter each tube, Mod won't. If you simply can't get them measured, weigh the barrels on the digital scale. If they're much under 3 lbs (especially at 30-inches) then they've likely been honed way-out of any safe use. 3 lbs or more? Well, then....maybe.

An obvious need for any repair (besides the ejectors) kills the deal, period. There are likely no competent or affordable options in your part of the world for something like that. Bide your time and wait for another gun to come along.

Good luck!
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Re: Parker shotgun with side clips? John Roberts 08/01/21 05:23 AM
Who is Phil Shrier?
JR
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison boxlock 12 gauge old colonel 08/01/21 02:24 AM
I concur with the disdain over the screws being mangled, however they are not complete deal killers for a beater gun, it is likely if the gun functions properly now it will continue to do so.

Is it a best gun, no, but neither is the price and the chokes are good for grouse.

It maybe a good starter choice in getting deeper into side by sides.

Early on I purchased some rough guns to include Sterlingworth’s, and Francotte Knockabout’s which served me well until I could afford better later. Oddly I still miss the 20ga Francotte Knockabout BLNE.

If you can afford it go for it, if it means crazy sacrifice, then pass and wait another option down the road
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Re: History of early grip safety ellenbr 08/01/21 02:23 AM
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/904211776

This is a great little St. Étienne offering.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse
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Re: wood charcoal for case color mc 08/01/21 12:43 AM
You can soak charcoal briquettes and crush them and dry them some people don't use bone charcoal at all but your mileage may vary good luck
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison boxlock 12 gauge boon hogganbeck 07/31/21 10:23 PM
Thanks, Lloyd, I appreciate the insight. Good to know. The lever itself is right-of-center, if that's what you mean.
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Re: Sauer side locks bushveld 07/31/21 10:22 PM
Mark;

I do not know if it is a rebounding or not, but viewing the 4th gun photo from the top of the article (the photo with Hendrik Fruhauf's name) I am impressed at what a beautiful lock it is and the superb craftsmanship. Also look how beautiful the color case hardening is. Of course, the Germans have always been at the top of the engineering disciplines.

Further in regard to your thoughts on if it is a rebounding lock, you will notice in this photo that the bottom of the tumbler is 2 mm away from touching the bridle---causing one to consider such.
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Re: Parker shotgun with side clips? DAM16SXS 07/31/21 10:00 PM
Several years ago when the Invincibles were displayed at the Annual Meeting of the Parker Gun Collectors Association on Maryland's Eastern Shore Phil Shrier told me the NRA Museum had been offered $4 million for the three Invincibles... No Deal was struck at that time.
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Re: USA Skeet Olympic Gold Lloyd3 07/31/21 09:56 PM
Neither, 440.
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Re: USA Skeet Olympic Gold DAM16SXS 07/31/21 09:49 PM
Lloyd3, is that a 383 or a 426 wedge?
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Re: Blaser F3 $5200 gunmaker 07/31/21 09:35 PM
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