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Today at the Southern Side x Side there was a vendor (ACG Ammo) who was selling BPS (Turkey) 12 ga 2 1/2 inch 24g 6,000 psi shotshells(do not know the velocity) for $140.00/flat of 250.

thank you, fab500.....

the earlier lunette gun has a unique (at least to me) stock - lower at "comb" than at heel, with an "ambidextrous" checking pattern....and viewed from the side, an almost "art deco" appearance. i have seen many photos of the lunette guns, but have never had the opportunity to handle one.

best regards,

tom

Plenty of Foxes there. I looked at an A Grade 20 bore today

Have fun.

I shoot 14 gauge components from Circle Fly in my 15 gauge MH Blood ML. My gun was made in Memphis, TN with Osborne barrels. It's a left handed SxS restored for me by MV Highsmith late of Memphis.

South of the Mason Dixon Line.

Good luck.

Celui-ci de 1887/1888 avec sa belle crosse arabe s'est vendu 3000 euros.

https://www.gazette-drouot.com/lots/24933334-valise-en-chene-montee-a-la---


Un 356 de 1951

https://drouot.com/fr/l/24995741-fusil-ideal-356-modele-tir-aux

Salut,
Très beau modèle.

The bores look excellent, but the left nipple is blocked, so I need to try to open that up. Right nipple is clear as a small wire slid right in it, and I can blow through the hole. Don't want to attempt to remove the nipple just in case, so I'll try to clear it with a small bit in my hand held chuck and not using any power tools.

I too think this is an above low quality shotgun. All the metal is border engraved, and the various pieces extremely well fitted. Wrap around checkering is stunning, with no over runs, or damage. Someone cared for this gun well. I hope to find a takedown case that will handle the 32.5" long barrels and action. It would just be nice to have a good case for it too.

Will be there Saturday and Sunday. It's only 25 minutes from my house. Never miss it. Looking for Fox 20 gauges this year.

That’s great!
Excellent pre reg

I hope 🤞 Mother Nature cooperates for you.

Make sure you post pics.

I think your 14 gauge is a higher quality gun than you suggest. Look at the classic buttstock, in modern dimensions. This gun shows the care Carlos showed in building, and in this case purchasing, finely designed rifles and shotguns. Tell us about the bores and nipples. That would be what makes this a great shooter.

Quite a beautiful Ideal. Hope it works out:

Nice!!!! Good score!!

Tom, that is quite a story and I await your further description upon receipt of the gun. Most interesting. My "collecting" such as it is, has kind of been dominated by Lindners for the last 5 years or so but all I have to do in pick up my Ideal 12 ga to remember why I became so enthralled with them. The sudden passing of Mike (Wingshooter) didn't help as he and I were joined at the hip on the subject of Ideals. Never did find the right 16 gauge before the EU closed the French loophole I was using to bring over guns from from France for a 20 euro fee and postage, which typically was about $60. Some members here benefited as I resold the 5 or so Ideal 16s I brought over, down into the US for my costs. Mostly very nice examples, just not what I was after.

The Woods and Meadow SxS Classic above is replacing the long running Duluth Double Gun SxS Classic. The excellent Duluth Double Gun SxS Classic sold out every year to the end. The organizers of the Duluth shoot came down and helped Woods and Meadow with the planning. I shot over there yesterday and the owner said they have about 100 shooters registered so far.

Attended the Southern yesterday, I will be there all four days as I am a member there. Saw lot's of nice guns, American and English and about any make you may have intrest in.
I did pick up another Dickson Round Action yesterday.

Thanks for the photos. Nice case. Very unusual arrangement. When I first saw it and asked for pictures I was thinking it appeared to be a hinged case. This one all the more interesting.

first, i want to thank fab500 for his post last march, with the link to the grade 6re, and numerous pictures that show this rare variant of the ideal....a gun i would have never expected to see - much less buy. i am now awaiting receipt of such a gun - that i won in the recent morphy on-line-only auction, that ended a week ago....https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=598253.

the auction featured mostly "less desirable" items, and was a pretty streamlined process with few photos, and brief descriptions. i requested additional information, and evidently got the guy who had cataloged the gun, and authored that brilliant description....i asked for customary useful measurements, and pictures of the proofs, and close-ups of all sides of the action. couple of days later i received 9 clear and useful photos, and some pretty screwball information - "the chambers were longer than 3 1/2 inches", and chokes were cylinder & cylinder. the photos showed a very clean gun, and the proofs are "fusil ideal perfection", double proofed with powder type S, chambers marked "7" (but photographed so that you could not see if it might be additionally stamped), 18.2mm bores, stamped with the mdf under the crown - for exceptional/special order guns, and marked with the stereotypical "choke and demi-choke" stamps that seem to be the default choking on most manu guns.

i then asked for clarification regarding the "longer than 3 1/2" chambers, general conditions of the bores, and whether forcing cones were present. and, i posed a specific question - do the "bores appear to have been mutilated". here it got really screwy, on the morning of the closing day of the auction, i get a response; "when these bores were reamed out they were not rechambered properly. the bores are bright and smooth....but the chokes are gone, and the chambers are too long for shotgun shells to be safely used."

at this point, i chastised the fellow for marketing a gun with a pitiful description that would seem to say the gun is useable - when, in fact, it is not....and i "demanded" bore diameters, and mwt numbers - and asked if i could withdraw my bid. evidently this alarmed the fellow, and he carried my emails to another person (who did not choose to provide his name)....but did tell me that expert #1, had measured the gun assuming that it was a 16ga (with the barrels clearly marked 12ga).
thus, his chamber gauge was swallowed up in the bores, the forcing cones were mutilated, and the chokes were off the scales. this responder stated that "another cataloger had remeasured the gun to ensure they were correct and listed the following; barrel wall thickness, left .027, right .028
internal bore diameter, left .722, right .729
chokes, left .042, right .042
chambers, 2 3/4"
drop at comb, 1 1/2"
drop at heel, 2 1/4"
length of pull, 14 3/4" bores bright and smooth, sorry for the delay and miscommunication."

i decided that it was not a lost cause, and preceded to bid the gun up to the sale price shown on the auction page. certainly hoping the gun is as pictured, and the second "expert" was as accurate as he was sincere. if this comes to pass, i have realized that the "first expert" may well have sabotaged the sale of an exceptional shotgun - and allowed this old retired fool to get my hands on such as rarity.

best regards,

tom

in spite of the useful information recently regarding how to post pictures - i still don't have it down - so if anyone wishes to do that for me, i will gladly email the messages and photos.

and, one additional discovery, on ebay - a woman who has what she describes as a portfolio of advertising prints, put out by manu in 1909 as publicity, and she states these are not copies, but actual original prints of a fairly wide number of guns they were producing at that time.....https://www.ebay.com/itm/176348592515?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11304.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=9e2132133ae54b9592a43a3d051825e7&bu=43061095167&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20240425165724&segname=11304

that would be quite close to the subject gun's dob, as it's serial number appears to indicate 1908 as likely production.

Thanks I had never seen a separate small box for reloading items and tools. I didn't realize the small kit was in the case until I got it home. Very nice surprise.

That's me! I use them on field birds. I do not in the woods. Different strokes I guess.

The shotgun arrived today!
Carlos Gove Denver, Col. marked 14 ga. muzzleloader shotgun too! Birmingham proofed, so made in England, but sold through Gove's shop.

The UK sporting goods business is similar in function to that in the U.S. They have to stock what sells.

You may stumble upon some trinkets in a shop that you like, but every shop knows where the good stuff needs to go to get a turn.
There’s a fishing/shooting shop in Edinburgh that has been there for ever, ….sorry, name eludes me.
Vintage book stores with all sorts of old titles.

You can find piles of Spanish boxlocks in many gun shops, low grade hammer guns, and some SLNE’s.
Half the fun is just looking at your itinerary and calling the little sporting goods shops in the town you are visiting.

In Edinburgh, (I confess I mostly confine my time to relaxing at “Number 11”, and eating haggis at “The World’s End”) I always touch the statue of Adam Smith, like a gladiator returning to the Colosseum.

It’s a good town to explore but finding vintage firearms will be a challenge.

Note: if you travel through Dunblane, the church has magnificent wood carvings ( best I’ve seen in the western world) All done by two brothers before the Great War.

Builder, thanks.