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Of course coyotes kill more feral cats than anyone or anything. And many a song bird (and game bird) population has benefitted.

But then that doesn't help the blast'em for the hell of it crowd very much does it?

Maybe I'll starve a few coyotees...

And for decades folks tried everyway possible to wipe out the coyote as was done to the wolf; trapping, shooting, posioning, government bounties, no seasons, no bag limits, and any and every other method man could divise and what has happened? Ole Wiley Coyote just exploded and expanded his range into all parts of the US to the point that biologists now tell us there are likely more coyotes than have ever existed in these United States; so the opportunistic turkey or deer hunter ambushing one of these critters on occasion won't do diddly to hurt the coyote, or the ability of this species to continue to thrive. We have plenty of these furry little beasts in GA now (we didn't know what a coyote was 40 years ago), and one of the counties near home is presently dealing with a rabies outbreak, the spread of which is being largely attibuted to coyotes by investigators. From my observations, the coyote is as opportunistic a killer as any member of the "blast'em for the hell of it crowd" (by the way, doesn't that remark show a little smack of elitism?); killing every animal it can if such is deemed potential prey. There was a case somewhere in the southeast a few months ago where a lady left her toddler in her yard unattended for less than a minute (forget something in the house) when she heard the child scream; she ran outside to find a coyote dragging off her kid. This lady saved the child, although the child did suffer some bad injuries. And my uppity former sister-in-law who lives in Paradise Valley, AZ always looked down her nose at me for my hunting activities; thoutht it very cruel and red-neck, but this ole gal had a major attiute adjustment after coyotes killed and ate her expensive, and high-pedigreed pooch (I don't think it's legal to shoot coyotes there, must call animal control). To me the bottom line is so elementary: If a guy enjoys coyote watching, don't shoot what he won't eat, they remind him of ole Shep, shooting coyotes is illegal, they are an important part of the local ecosystem, etc, etc, etc; then observe the law and enjoy that part of nature. On the other hand if a guy wants to shoot a coyote, coyote shooting is legal in his state, and taking the shot does not endanger life, limb, or the property of others; then I encourage that individual to do so, and I won't be sitting in judgement of his ethics, or his decision to take advantage of that opportunity wheather I agree with his shot placement or not. I like an awful lot being as well educated and refined as some I know posting here; therefore I remain unable to comprehend why there should be so much controversay over Randy's shooting of the coyote, and the sharing of his photos.

Discharging a firearm in any City Arizona will get you arrested. And this includes the up-scale town of Paradise Valley where the mean housing price exceeds $3,000,000. Most residents here in the suburbs think coyotes are cute until the start grabbing their house pets as occurred in a gated community here awhile back.
If you think dealing with coyotes is tough try coping with pigeons. They're also protected from shooting although I think a lot of them are dispatched here with pellet guns. IMO pigeons pose a much greater risk as a health problem and the term "Flying Rats" has always struck me as appropriate.
Jim

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I don't think there is a movie that has got by the Fox hole.

T

Best to follow Tom Arnold's advice and leave this for local option based on prevailing local mores, local law, local sheep population, local "scares" concerned with "boudoir" pets, infants and underwgt. children. Personally, I'd think all these bravos who whistle in the dark over the prospect of a self-defense shooting with the "tried by 12 vs. carried by 6" nonsense would have little trouble with an extermination project on coyotes inside or outside the letter of the law. I don't have a bit of problem with the world of hurt that was inflicted on this particular yote; if I'd shot it I might well have some qualms as I don't have sheep, children, or easily edible pets. I'd like to think there is always at the minimum the perception of necessity and self-interest in everything we do.

jack

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Ah the allusive Mr. Farris again. I think you understand well enuf what I said. I know my trolls well enuf to know you'll be back to fire for pyrotechnic impression if not for effect. From what I've read, you are one piece of work, bud, and most of that in the mouth dept.

jack

I recall a number of years ago the death of a 3 year old girl in Los Angeles county by a coyote. She was pulled out of her back yard and eaten. They were interviewing the sheriff on tv and he said that it was against the law to shoot coyotes in the county but that he had seen the body of the little girl "and noone that shoots one is going to be arrested by my department".Predators are a part of living but they must be controlled when becoming too bold around humans,unless you don't mind the idea of a bear,alligator,mountain lion or coyote making a meal out of you or your kin,all of which is possible in the US.