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Next thing you know, the "People who wish to CONTROL Everything" will want to ban catch and release fishing because it inconveniences the fish for no reason other than the inhumane enjoyment of the fisherman...Geo

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Originally Posted By: Recoil Rob

Just my opinion, but it's not us against the anti's. We're never going to change the minds of anti's, they're fanatics, as are we to a lesser extant. The real battle is for the "swing vote", the vast majority of Americans who have no strong opinion on hunting. Both we and the anti's are competing for the "silent majority". The anti's have shown they will use any means at their disposal to further their cause. Pictures posted on a public forum, showing no repspect for a dead animal, is just handing them ammo to use against us. We have to be smarter than that. We have to swallow some self rightousness and fight the smart fight.

... These are the people we need to keep and supplying our opponents with ammo to swing them against is just plain counterproductive.


Well said Rob.

Brent's condescension to the "ignorance" of those who disagree with him is also counterproductive. I'd be embarrassed about that rather than about being part of a diverse hunting and shooting community.

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Just my take on this subject about the shot picture on the coyote; but I don't see the issue about the picture at all. Few if any anti hunters or anti gun zealots have the knowledge depth to determine a wounding shot from a fatal shot, even if they were standing beside our good friend and member, Randy, when the shot was made, let alone a small picture.

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We have a doe and a pair of fawns that come out in the yard most every evening. If they come up to the house tonight and so much as put a lip on my wife’s flowers, I’ll bang the doe in the pants with a load of Kent Tungsten Matrix #5’s – if they are good for the environment, they will be good for her.

With a little luck I’ll grab the camera in time for a photo or two for you guys before she crawls off on her front two legs into the thicket to do whatever an animal does when they are ‘broken down.’

In our perfect world, she should know better than to get in the way of the greatest predator on the face of the earth and his gun.

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Bantering back and forth is not a house divided. But a house sharpening its collective knife.

Orry I know what kind of flowers your growing....lighten up dude.

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Originally Posted By: Chuck H
Just my take on this subject about the shot picture on the coyote; but I don't see the issue about the picture at all. Few if any anti hunters or anti gun zealots have the knowledge depth to determine a wounding shot from a fatal shot, even if they were standing beside our good friend and member, Randy, when the shot was made, let alone a small picture.



Exactly.

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http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/CoyoteResearch.shtm

The "greatest predator" doesn't eat everything he kills so maybe he's just the most effective killer. I gotta go whack some sand sharks just cause I can.

jack


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I think some of the words and statements that appear on all the gun forums when the issues of gun control and politics come up does much more to hurt our cause with the neutral voter than a few pictures of dead animals. How can we expect them to not refer to us as extremists/zealots when so many posters refer to any voter or candidate that isn't pro-gun as flaming, commie, pinko, turban head, etc. etc.

We are our own worst enemy on some of these threads. Rather than trying to understand how they came to their views and ideas and how to better educate them and make them feel more comfortable with gun ownership, we more often choose to simply throw gasoline on this fire ourselves.

Most of us who love guns grew up in smaller towns and cities and in a different era. The majority of people today grew up in more urban settings, in non-gun and non-hunting families, and their only exposure to guns has been the news reporting on their use in crime.

And don't be tempted to blame the news media for it either just because I mentioned them.

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Originally Posted By: Geo. Newbern
Next thing you know, the "People who wish to CONTROL Everything" will want to ban catch and release fishing because it inconveniences the fish for no reason other than the inhumane enjoyment of the fisherman...Geo


Geo.Newbern - You're a little late with that thought. That very premise has been one of their favorite mantras for more than a decade.

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Okay, lets move on to discussing how to deal with the feral housecat problem. Given that it is documented fact that predation by feral housecats is solely responsible for the EXTINCTION of three species of songbirds and one specie of small mammal, here's something we should be shooting at every chance we get. Opinions?

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