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Your joking.......right?
So your saying if he shot the 'yote with a .243 and posted a pic that would justify the kill?

Brent, my Friend, I don't take friendship lighly either so again, you judge me incorrectly; but if the two of us can't agree to disagree on this issue and at least be "friendly" coming to that conclusin, then I'm not the guy with the problem.

As to the original basis for this discourse, I'm sure everyone has long since taken his position on Randy's decision to post those photos; and we can debate the ethicacy of his decision to take that shot till the proverbial cows come home, but the continued public castigation of Randy's actions by those not in his position at the time will do him, nor this forum any long term good.

And say what you will, but Destry (who is the one individual involved in this discourse I have met personally; and who, in my opinion, is as danged fine and colorful a yankee as one can ever hope to meet!) is absolutely correct in his point about the anti-hunting/anti-gun crowd. There is no appeasing that crowd, nore is there compromise. Our history to date with these groups has been a failed policy of appeasement; giving up a dove season here, agreeing to various limitations on gun ownership there, etc; but such compromise only serves to embolden these groups with succes and renewed energy to take away something else. Although they relish the thought of using a photo such as was posted here to their political advantage, they have no reason when it comes to the killing of any wild animal or bird; viewing even the most humane killing in sport hunting as hideous, and will therefore stop at nothing short of total bans. We all know this to be true, yet many hunters/shooters insanely continue these failed attempts at appeasement. It's wasy past time for you and I, as people of reason, to stop dreaming and see these groups for the miserable people they are; people who want everyone to be as miserable and unhappy as they are. We owe them no apologies, and we should never be intimidated into not posting an action photo taken by one of our respected peers.

I've said my peace Brother Brent; so plesae have the final word and kill this thread; even an ass-end shot at this point would be considered humane.

I think you might be most comfortable in Manhattan, NY. But stay away from the Park. It is too scary there for you

not this country redneck! There's only a few things i'm scared of and Manhattan and the park your prolly from aint one of them!

"I have coyotes in my backyard everyday. I have learned to live with them on a daily basis for over 25 yrs. It is not hard."

A lot of poor shots rationalize their lack of results :-)

This thread is rather funny as it is sad. This is a hunting and shooting and gun forum. What next no pictures of guns because non gun owners will be frightened and try to take them away? Ethics....ethics that are not codified in law are the perogative of the individual and therefore can always be debated. Anti hunting sentiments and dislike for hunting exist in a significant number of people working in wildlife agencies (I know I worked in one as an administrator). Holier than thou attitudes in game managers extremely prevalent and there is no changing their opinion as hunters are merely the unwashed masses (you know the gulf of ignorance). Many with that attitude also believe they must be our spokesmen and champions, we do not know what is in our own best interest attitude also prevails. Our enemies are among us. You can see it here and you know what happens to a house divided. Keep it up men! Whoever mentioned the appeasement of those who opposed us as failing our cause hit the nail on the head. In my state we have gone from having to have dead deer in plain sight when transporting to hidden from public view (like poachers would do) so we don't offend the non-hunting public. This and other similiar actions simply shield the non-hunting public fromt the life and death that is the reality for all of natures creatures including us. All predators fail to make clean kills 100%, be it man, bear, coon, fox, coyote, raptor etc. Nature is cruel you all know this. I am not condoning deliberate torture but that is not what happened here.

For Brent, what is the wounding and non recovered ratio for deer shot in an archery season? Bow and arrows are seldom ever capable of immediate clean kills and therefore I think that is an inhumane and unethical method of hunting. Please help me in banning bow hunting, afterall it's really no different than shooting a coyote facing away with a load of shot is it?

There is a difference....Its more like letting a field point arrow fly, after spooking a deer, while rabbit hunting...

What happens in these situations should be an individual ethical situation. Not something dictated by some group of anti-gun, anti-hunting goof balls. It sounds like we are running scard and terrified of these people.

I don't think so. Just my opinion, but it's not us against the anti's. We're never going to change the minds of anti's, they're fanatics, as are we to a lesser extant. The real battle is for the "swing vote", the vast majority of Americans who have no strong opinion on hunting. Both we and the anti's are competing for the "silent majority". The anti's have shown they will use any means at their disposal to further their cause. Pictures posted on a public forum, showing no repspect for a dead animal, is just handing them ammo to use against us. We have to be smarter than that. We have to swallow some self rightousness and fight the smart fight.

I live in NY, Westchester County, home to the Clinton's and so called hotbed of liberalism and anti-gun sentiment. I tell you straight out I have never met with a negative reaction when people learn I hunt and collect guns. Sometimes they're interested, want to try some "wild game" (pen raised birds!). More often than not they're indifferent, they're not offended, or haven't been yet. They're not offended by a photo of a successful hunt, most of them are reminded of a father or grandfather that hunted. These are the people we need to keep and supplying our opponents with ammo to swing them against is just plain counterproductive.

Bow and arrow is seldom a clean immediate kill. Too many animals are stuck outside the vital area because the deer turned or the hunter failed or shot too far. It's not ethical to kill deer this way.

Trapping, use of non-kill traps is cruel they are unethical.

Handgun hunting, small low power guns, with poor accuracy, again unethical.


All said tongue in cheek but you see the point, arguments for ethics can made.

If we can not post photos of game with guns if we can not talk or take game in any LEGAL fashion, for fear of offending the so called silent majority,then our goose is cooked. That line of thinking shows we believe there are aspects of our sport that we believe are wrong. An environment is being created by some in our community for us to sneak around like kids doing something wrong. It also smells of elitism, "my ethics are better, my ways are better". The "anti" crowd does not suffer such differences of opinion. They are unified, we (hunters) are divided. It is a weakness and it helps those who want to end sport hunting.

Serious food for thought:

Pheasant stocking. Here in NH our wildlife department stocks pheasants each fall. The pen raised birds have almost no chance for survival. In spite of decades of stocking there is no native population. It's a very cruel put and take hunting in that regard. Pheasant stocking in NH and many other states is not done for biological reasons. It is simply to provide live targets for hunters. How do our game managers rationalize this? Is this really ethical? It also concentrates hunters into small areas thus resulting in more shooting incidents which make the news and scare the non hunting public.

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