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I was looking at the Gunsamerica explantions of shipping firearms and this is what it says:

Article § 178.29 provides that only certain people are allowed to ship firearms. Only individuals who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors can ship or receive firearms. Therefore, a person wanting a certain firearm from another state or even from another county and wants the firearm shipped must go to a person with a Federal Firearms License and follow through with proper shipping procedures. The FFL holder will have to mail a copy or fax a copy of his or her firearms license to the person doing the shipping. They also have to have a FFL. You can find a person with a FFL at a local gun dealership, gun shop and even some pawn shops.

I was under the impression that a private individual could ship to an FFL holder or a C&R

ATF regs - yes, a private person CAN ship a long gun to himself in another state or to an FFL in any state. That isn't a quote but that is my understanding of the law. Something sent in for repair can be returned directly to you as well!

Now, you just have to get one of the carriers to follow their own rules!

CB

it depends....if there is a transfer of ownership involved in needs to be ffl to ffl, a private individual can ship to a smith for repair, but it needs to be returned to the same person.
Steve

http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html

Look after the US Post Office comments for the ATF rules here.

http://cgwgun.com/batfship.aspx

another one..........

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faqindex.htm

AFT site

CB

Steve, not to argue but...... if you are selling one of your guns, you absolutely can ship it to the FFL holder in another state. Look at the ATF site I posted above and look under section B1 of the FAQ's.


B. UNLICENSED PERSONS

(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? [Back]

A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

I do think that I am right here. We will see...

There is no requirment that a FFL is required on the shipping end just the recieving end,transfer of ownership or not.You as a unlicensed individual can ship a gun you sold to a FFL for the buyer to fill out the 4473 and do the NCIS check but no need for dealer to get involved on the sellers end as far as the BATF is concerned.

Correct that no FFL needed on the shipping end, just the receiving end as far as the Fed is concerned. The problem starts when the shipping companys make their own in house rules demanding an FFL needed to ship, or alot of FFL's demand that the gun is shipped from an FFL (they feel more secure in receiving it from an FFL than a private citizen should a problem arise later because it was a stolen firearm). Either has the right to make their own rules of business if they so choose as long as they meet the requirement of the Fed and local laws. It's just not very popular with folks that's all. Another thing is that sometimes a state law might require that the gun be sent from an FFL ( NYS for instance demands that all handguns sent into NYS come from an FFL,,wether for transfer to an owner in NYS or for gunsmithing work). There are probably some others.

I couldn't find what you quoted from Gunsamerica but I can tell you they are absolutely wrong. I'm sorry to say Steve is, too. Once again we're going into territory that brings up many incorrect answers and misinterpretations. The correct answers are clearly explained on the BATF site. Look there if you want the straight scoop. Gunsamerica does not make FF laws and would have no way of knowing what you do after the sale, anyway, so far as I know. One more reason not to deal with Gunsamerica.

Thank you all. I thought it was incorrect and it made me uncomfortable nevertheless. I have never had a problem shipping in the past.

Boomer,

Less than 30 days until we head east.

By road, not by mail.