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I don't know about the character of Ernie L., but my recollection is that the o/u design has roots to the original Parker Gun co. per some heresay of a Parker collector. If so, what is it about him staking claim to the name that is offensive?

I'm sure Murphy will be along soon to give us all the facts.

One comment that I see on their site from shooter is something about the "low profile" and recoil. I've never understood what the heck this comment means regarding any gun or how it could be so. If the barrel has a rib of the same height as another gun and the fitted dimensions are the same to the rib, how would "low profile" make any difference? A deeper reciever simply moves the floorplate/trigger/etc lower. Smoke if you ask me.

Copying is ok. thats the sincerist form of flattiery. Taking a name and making it something that is existing and making it into something totally different is chickenshit. I am all for supporting the gun industry and specially the double gun community. However I can not support something like that. He should be ashamed of himself.

Chuck,

I didn't say I was offended by him using the "old reliable", I asked how he managed to get the rights to it. But yes I am offended by it. To me it rightfully belongs to the side by side they are famous for. Their fame did not come from an over and under.

With that said Ernie has a set of balls for sure. What makes him think he can sell a gun unproven, untried for $18,500.00?????? Perazzi, Kamen, Kolar, and Krieghoff have been tried and true and they range from $9,000.00 to $11,000.00 base model.

"my recollection is that the o/u design has roots to the original Parker Gun co. per some heresay of a Parker collector. If so, what is it about him staking claim to the name that is offensive? "

First, that is such a flimsy lineage I can't even begin to consider it. He said, she said. Parker made guns for decades. If they had wanted to make an O/U they would have done so - all by themselves.

Second, anytime you take someone else's name to the bank it is offensive. If the guy had class he would have made his own gun and used his own name. Just like some old boy named Parker did 150 years ago. Just like Winchester did. Just like Remington did. You get the idea.

If Charlie Parker were alive he'd be wringing that dude's neck.

Holy Cow! $49,000 for a scroll engraved boxlock - Do they really expect to sell any of these? Or is Remington just demonstrating they are continuing to hold the name?

Apparently they have sold a lot of them, probably to rich Parker collectors who don't want to not have what the other rich Parker collectors have. It's a lot of money for a Repro but then the rich are different from you and I.

I'm sure Remington did it to placate the rich Parker owners who are friends of the rich Remington executives.

Memos written by Remington attorneys in the early and mid forties indicate that their opinion was that if they continued to use "Parker" on correspondence and shipping labels, they would somehow protect their right to the name, as it pertained to shotguns. Many opinions on similar subjects have been voiced in the sixty years since. Apparently "Parker Brothers" is not something Remington is prepared to protect as their own.

I'm not defending this guy Ernie L., but some of you seem to have more facts than I've read here and I was sincerely wondering what this guy has done that's so different than numerous others have done in the past. Trademarks change hands all the time. Galazan has a few.

I am under the impression that the o/u gun he is selling is of Parker lineage, but had not made it to production in yesteryear. Does anyone have factual information about that one way or another? I'm guessing that Murphy does.

GregSY,

I have to agree with you on the over and under deal. As for the rich Parker owners. Thats what hard work and luck bring to you. Doesn't matter if its guns, cars, woman, houses. I have been so lucky to fall into this job I have now. It has given me the income level to be able to justify buying guns I use to dream of owning. If I play my cards right it will also give me the lifestyle I have always wanted too. I plan to fly fish, bird hunt, and shoot sporting clays tournaments full time. $49,000.00 is a lot of money for a gun but when you have that kind of money and you are not mortgaging the house to buy it then I am just envious. Though my choice wouldn't be a Parker at that price, I would be stepping up to a Holland and Holland, Purdey, or Boss. I know I know they are more then $49,000.00 but if you have $49,000.00 spend on a gun then I am sure you have the little extra to step up.

Here is my take on The Parker's being made by CSMC. Remington should sell the name and rights to Mr. Galazan. This would cut the cost of the guns and bring them a little closer to the CSMS model 21's and Fox. It cost for Mr. Galazan to make them, which means he has to profit on them, and Remington of course has to make their cut as well. So that puts Remington as the Middleman. Cut the Middleman and save money. Just my opinion.

Chuck,

Mr. Galazan is building Winchester Model 21's that he bought the rights to. He is building A.H. Fox guns that he bought the name to and rights to. He build the CSMC Over and under, he didn't call it the Winchester Model 21 Over and under. He is building RBL's his design and his manufacturing. Nothing wrong with that at all. Thats what EL should have done Name your gun the something something, not something that already exist and ride on someone elses coattails.