Reminton shot themselves in the foot bringing the 16 ga. 870 on a 12 ga. frame. Had they brought it out on it's own frame or the 20 ga. frame I think a lot of us 16 ga. fans would have bought one. How many of us remember the 36" and even 38" goose guns of the 50s? Somewhere in my storage of parts I have a Marlin Model 120 38" barrel, gun was given to a grandson, who didn't want that barrel, had several others. I killed geese with that particular gun but always shooting it with a 28" barrel. For myself 28"s on pumps and autos is adequate, SxSs and O/Us 30"s.