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Pretty standard load for a 4 bore is 3 1/2 ounces.

I shot a borrowed one at driven ducks in Dorset a few years ago, the cartridges were loaded with 3 ounces and it didn't really kick much.

Was a big double Holland & Holland, probably weighed in at around 16 pounds.

He said with the 3 1/2 ounce charges he used for geese in Scotland did get your attention a bit more.

I killed what was probably the longest duck of my life with that gun, we paced it off at 70 some odd big steps.


Destry

A "buttie" is a fried potato sandwich .... Sometimes called a Chip sandwich. At the high class places they are fried in butter .... at the pubs near the ports they are fried in bacon drippings .... yummmmmmm . Just the thing to set you up for a night of strong ale .....

Al

They are pretty good, though I prefer the bacon and egg ones myself. I've sat many a morning waiting for the shop to open so we could get one before going out shooting.

Destry

The reality of butties is certainly more appetizing than the first impression I had of the word.

MarketHunter what size shot would you expect to put in a 3 ounce
load?

Thanks for sharing the information - very interesting.

Best,

Mike

Has anyone ever seen a 10 bore or bigger gun with riviling in front of the choke sections? I've seen 12's, but can't recall seeing a 10 so damaged. I believe the cause is large shot bridging which causes a gas hammer. The tendancy to bridge goes down with smaller shot size to bore diameter. I wonder if 10's are just big enough for fowling shot or if they have enough thicker barrels to resist the gas hammer. Thoughts?

The cartridges I was shooting were the owners hand loads in his turned aluminum cases and I believe they were loaded with English #4 bismuth. In England you have to shoot non-toxic for waterfowl, even on driven ducks.

Up in Scotland another friend and I were shooting 8 bores and we had cartridges loaded with everything from American #2 (nickle) to English AAA. This was a 2 1/2 ounce charge of shot.

Destry

Sounds like fun - thanks for the reply Desty.

Best,

Mike

Burrard listed both standard & Low Velocity loads for the 4 bore in 4" & 4¼" cases. Standard was 9 dram x 3¼ oz for the 4" case & 9¼ dram x 3½ oz for the 4¼" case. The LV load was 8dram x 4oz & 8¼dram x 4oz respectfully for the short or long case.
1904 rules of proof show the 9dram x 3¼ozload as the "Service Charge" for all bbls proved from 6 (.919") through 5/2 (1.026"). Note that true 4 ga dimensions (1.052") are seldom found in shotguns as most were built for paper cases with a bore dia of about .935" & proved as a 6ga. Chamber dimensions had originally been set I believe for round ball guns using Thin Brass cases. All above loads are Black Powder loads of course, but smokeless was similar.

Perfect quail gun for Chuck H.

Does Chuck even know a quail can be shot in the air?

Best,

Mike