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One of the things to consider before you lengthen the forcing cones on any shotgun is to pattern it first with the loads that you intend to shoot.
I've got a 28" 21 that was built in 1941 with 3inch chambers, .732 bores, and .037 choke in both barrels. It has several non standard features that the original customer wanted in a field model. I sent to Cody when I got the firearm and they sent me not only a letter but also copies of the final inspection report and factory build sheet. The paper answered a bunch of questions I had about how original the shotgun.
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GOOD SHOOTING! Parris George
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I have the gun in my safe now- he's going through a "nasty" divorce (are there any other kinds? so here's your answer, best as I can see:serial no. is 15992 LOP from single selective trigger to center of the solid red pad (June 1922 Pat'd Date) is 14 and 5/8"- barrels are even 28" right barrel ahead of flat is marked Imp Cyl The left barrel Imp Mod The Three inch chambers marking is on the left barrel near the Winchester Proof Steel etc. (aprox 9 o'clock position) Years ago another friend had a M21 12 ga. Duck- and it was so marked on the bottom of the frame, ahead of the trigger guard bow- 30 inch barrels Full choke in both and 3 inch chambers- it was before the Custom Shop deal-so it also had the receiver "bosses" and a solid red pad-
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Fox, this gun does sound like a special order gun with the 28" barrels, IC/IM chokes and 3" chambers. I would say it's on the high side of rare.
From the serial #, it was likely assembled in the late '30s to early '40s.
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"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Agree with Don, a rather 'rare' Model 21. If used for waterfowl with Kent TM, the chokes may be ideal as the Kent patterns much tighter than the kead shot of the guns era.
One of the steller atributes of the 'Duck' is the 13&5/8" LOP. Really makes a difference when cold and wearing heavy clothes. During Graduate School. My buddy used to borrow my JC Higgins Model 20 pump i purchased as a child. He said that it was the most comfortable shotgun he had ever used for waterfowl. Turns out that when I purchased the gun at 13, I had the stock cut down for me with pad.-Dick
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Fox, your Model 12 Heavy Duck may have been special ordered or the stock could have been replaced. A 14 1/2" LOP was not that common in those days, so it could have been replaced with a standard stock and the pad added.
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A standard Model 12 3" Heavy Duck with lead weighted 13 5/8" stock is not butt heavy. The Duck barrel is a special barrel, made way heavier than a standard Model 12 barrel. This is in contrast to the Model 21 Duck, which has a non weighted stock and standard Model 21 barrels. Some Model 21 Ducks are as light as 7 1/2 pounds. As an aside, I have never had a bad shooting day in the field that had anything to do with a shotgun, as long as it fired when asked. But, of course, I've only been doing this stuff for fifty years now. Maybe next year I'll have a bad day because of a shotgun.
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I think you are right- the man who first owned it was a star athlete- 6' 4"- 230 lbs. and long arms-His favorite load was somewhat similar to Nash Buckingham's 3" coppered fours for Geese and pass shooting mallards- coppered sixes for dukcs over decoys-It is a great pumpgun and I have shot Federal Steel loads with no problem with the choke, I am sure the gentleman named 8 bore is right- as the barrel has greater wall thickness than a std. 12 ga. Model 12-is it also possible the factory "overlooked the extra hole for the lead plug" and just sold it-
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As an aside, I have never had a bad shooting day in the field that had anything to do with a shotgun, as long as it fired when asked. But, of course, I've only been doing this stuff for fifty years now. Maybe next year I'll have a bad day because of a shotgun. Bill, I have been doing this just as long as you, and you are so right! Most of these young guys and newcomers just haven't quite figured it out yet.
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