"I think anyone who wanted to "avoid the middle man" on the AAHE Parker's pricing need only to wave his checkbook in front of either Remington or Galazan and the price will come tumbling down. Just my suspicion, of course."
I can't vouch for Remington as I haven't tried to order a Parker nor do I want to but CSMC prices are what you see on the web-site, no gimmicks, no marketing, no nothing, just straight honest business dealings.

Model 21, Fox, Parker made by CSMC, call them what you want, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that individuals that recognize quality and want a bespoke shotgun are having CSMC make them. I have owned a number of Winchester 21's and own one of the CSMC 'Baby' frame 28 gauge Model 21's, a gun Winchester never made in a small frame. Frannkly, cosmetically its as nice as any Win 21 i have ever had in my hands and much lighter. Regardless of how they are engineered and manufactured, the judgement of those who want such shotguns is in and they are voting with thier $$'s.
Tony took over the remaining production of USRAC Winchester Model 21's in the early 1990's and used up the remaining barrel stocks and other parts resulting in some CSMC manufactured Winchester Model 21's. I don't know of any Winchester branded Model 21's being produced today. I have talked with Tony and Olin about this and its just not worth the extra cost to have Winchester on the gun. Olin licenses tha Winchester name to FN which owns Browning and produces the current Winchester firearms. Winchester ceased to exist in 1983 when Olin sold the Winchester factory to USRAC and licensed the Winchester name to USRAC. USRAC ceased to exist a year or two ago. So it's academic and you can discuss it until the 'cows come home' but there haven't been any true Winchester Model 21's since 1983 but there are still Model 21 shotguns available as good or better than any ever manufactured. The old engravers are gone, new ones are in thier place, so if you want to argue cosmetics go ahead, its irrelevant.
The Fox's CSMC is turning out are spectacular and I have one on order. I really don't care what anyone calls them, it will be a Fox to me and to my specifications.
I haven't had one of the CSMC Parkers in my hands but based on the CSMC Galazan sidelock sxs's and ou/u's I have handled I have no doubt, it is a fine shotgun.-Dick

Last edited by Dick_dup1; 05/03/08 08:26 AM.