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The Japanese have not always been as adept at duplicating America's Best. Remember the Nambu & the Arisaka. I believe that it was an American (I can't remember his name) that taught them, post WWII, how to build quality products (that still have no soul) I would love to have a Jap Deusenberg to drive around every day, but I'd much rather have an original to put away for retirement. Honda bikes are great unless you're at a Harley rally

Best Regards.......George

W. Edwards Deming taught them quality control, and Peter F. Drucker taught them managment. Both are still revered in Japan.

Replacement: RIGHT YOU ARE! They are probably revered partially at least because Deming & Drucker made them rich.

Just My Thoughts.....George

'bout time someone agreed with me...

You got 1 whole box of those, eh Larry? When you going to buy another? Might want to have a word with your broker. You might want to also keep in mind that tungsten hit $175 a pound, circa 1977. When there were dozens more mines operating.

Maybe SSSs aren't 311s, but a name, London pigeon gun ain't a SSSs. Rocketman might shed more light on that than I could, but, I think we are talking, at minimum, tens of thousands of dollars. Haven't seen any SSSs for that kind of dough.

The whole soul argument from Japan, Inc. should be tempered with the understanding that were it not for the NSX, and the GSX (Corolas won't be collectable, but these already are) Ferarri would not have been shamed into building stuff that didn't fall apart, like just about any 308, and Ducati would not have been allowed to run 1000cc twins in Superbike, while the Japanese were limited to 750cc fours.

You want soul? Listen to a 1969 Honda 750 at idle. If you haven't been paying attention, these are worth larger amounts of money to collectors as same vintage Harleys. Or, any rocker adjusted Suzuki GS four, including the first rendition (oil/air cooled) of the GSX, circa 1985, or so, as the engine is coming on to the cam, right around 8500-9000 RPM, when that little 750cc engine is well on it's way to the 12,000 RPM redline, and making more than 3 times as much power as any air cooled Harley lump will ever make.

Form follows function, and while a lot of us aren't running out to buy Parker repops, we aren't running out to buy Parker originals, either. Most of the guys seriously thinking about using such a gun in the future would be much better served with the repro SSS, since, it can eat whatever.

Lot of soul in that notion-being able to use your gun. No matter what.
Best,
Ted

After several decades of riding Harley's and the occasional Ricer
I must confess they both have Soul. If you think that Japanese shotguns have none, than you haven't picked one of my 101s or small bore SKBs. I also love my Classic American,German and Brit SXS.
Think English design is superior? try riding a 650 triumph
across country or even worse own an MGB (I have).You will discover that the English drink warm beer because Lucas makes Their refrigerators .Soul is subjective

HAHA that reminded me of this...



A collection of Prince of Darkness jokes
(courtesy of Paul Mossberg, New Jersey Replicar Club)

The Lucas Electric motto: "Get home before dark."

Lucas denies having invented darkness. But they still claim "sudden, unexpected darkness."

Lucas--inventor of the first intermittent wiper.

Lucas--inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.

The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.

The original anti-theft devices--Lucas Electric products.

"I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have never experienced any prob...

If Lucas made guns, wars would not start either.

Did you hear about the Lucas powered torpedo? It sank.

It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament to repeal Ohm's Law. They withdrew their efforts when they met too much resistance.

Did you hear the one about the guy that peeked into a Land Rover and asked the owner "How can you tell one switch from another at night, since they all look the same?" "He replied, it doesn't matter which one you use, nothing happens!"

Back in the '70s Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which didn't suck.

Quality Assurance phoned and advised the Engineering guy that they had trouble with his design shorting out. So he made the wires longer.

Why do the English drink warm beer? Lucas makes the refrigerators.

Alexander Graham Bell invented the Telephone.
Thomas Edison invented the Light Bulb.
Joseph Lucas invented the Short Circuit.

Recommended procedure before taking on a repair of Lucas equipment: check the position of the stars, kill a chicken and walk three times sunwise around your car chanting: "Oh mighty Prince of Darkness protect your unworthy servant."

Lucas systems actually uses AC current; it just has a random frequency.

So it is indeed possible for a Parker Repro to have soul! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

Therefore, one may conclude then that the Parker Reproduction DHE's are better than the originals---better steel, better wood, more modern and shootable dimensions, more versatile with various load selection, etc. etc. Perhaps the only shortcoming of them compared to the original Parker Bros. DH gun is the engraving, the birds and dogs were machine engraved with the scrollwork being hand engraved, whereas, the Parker Bros. DH's were totally hand engraved. In the argument of price vs. value, the Repro can usually be had at a better price and has more value for its intended purpose---to shoot.

It's unfortunate the Parker Reproduction had to be tagged with that name because of Remington's licensing of the Parker name, hadn't it been for this legal issue you can be sure that Tom Skeuse would have simply called it a Parker, as that's what it is---only new and improved---but you'll never get a died-in-the-wool Parker Bros. collector to admit it. Hell, you can't even get them to chime in on a thread discussing Parker Repros.

Deming and Drucker taught Japan what we already knew but seemed to had forgotten during the 'boom' after WW2.

The Parker Repro (as are the 101, 23, Citori, BSS, etc.) is a great example of American marketeers recognizing the manufacturing quality capabilities of Japanese makers.

I am totally convinced that Bamboozler is correct on the quality of the Repro. But, I will concede that the original guns have more relavent history to Americans and some intangible aura that makes American people pay much money for.

IMO, acknowledging the qualities and value of the Repro doesn't take anything away from the American made guns. In fact, I think it honors the American made guns.

Have to agree with you on that neighbor. I had three basic ones: BC Miroku 500, BSS, and Classic Doubles 201. They were well put together guns of quality materials, but I nixed them because me couldn't get that warm n fuzzy feelin about them.
They seem to have that "robotic stink" about them.
You see high quality, but that boring engraving......one of these days inflation will catch up to that H&Co "display piece."
I don't care for that" Knockabout" FN "funeral thingy" below it either.