Ted, play with the SST on a Matador some time. Most of them have more creep than a "Friday the 13th" movie. Matador ran from the mid-50's to the mid-80's I think. The Model 433 (made for Sears) I have--soon to become "trade bait", although I think it's actually a pretty decent gun--dates from 1973, which must've been close to the time Sears stopped selling guns. I think the "soft steel" period was 60's, perhaps into 70's. But I also think AyA may have been less a victim of those problems than some of the other Spanish makers that have since disappeared. I'm sure that there are others here with more experience than I have with older, less expensive AyA's.