Thanks again to all for your information. Miller's post certainly answered Joe's except for the "modified" terminology question. I don't have that DGJ so I can't read it myself. I'm sure Researcher's info is correct as it always is. I will do some patterning with my new 1889 with low pressure shells once I get a chance, and will report back here. I don't usually use 8 shot so I'll probably do it with 7-1/2's and then with 2's and 4's. Silvers

I AM SILVERS, NOT SLIVER = two different members. I'm in the northeast, the other member is in MT.