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Then offer up some evidence as to why that wouldn't be so. Try this. How many gunsmiths can make a living working on only good doubles?

How many could make a living working only on pumps, despite there being about a billion more of them?

Your turn.
Best,
Ted

No danger of an old 31 becoming an "objet de vitrine". I plan on being bured with my Geo. Washingon's axe m12. An insufficiency of earning power has led me to spell H&H as A&A and I even worry about that one getting dented.

jack

Just from a numerical evaluation, I think a pump has less total parts and less moving parts than a typical sidelock ejector. Less parts and less moving parts is a huge swinger in reliability. I'm not a reliability engineer, but I've been around a lot of that kind of work in aerospace and I can pretty much say with confidence that complex machinery has much higher probability of failure than simple machinery. Quality considerations can, of course swing the reliability wildly as well. But as many of you lifelong pumpgun owners know, a 870, 12, or 37 may go thru a lifetime without a failure.

I had my 30K gun. Yearned for it for 30 years. Took me five years of searching to find one worth buying. Owned it for four years. Did not shoot it worth a D---. Sold it for much more than I paid for it. D not regret either buying it or selling it and have to say that it left the gun room only because I could not shoot it well. Never figured out why either. How bad was it? Well if I was trying to shoot myself in the mouth I would have loaded two shells. All the measurements added up but the gun was a bust for shooting.

Now to your case I would add this. If you can buy the gun or swap for the gun with out giving up every decent gun you have then do it. Life is short and you can always get your money out of a gun if you take care of it. And how many people abuse a gun in the price range we are talking about. Just do not let any gun go that you have no real chance of replacing.

For a test, we could bury one of jOe's 'sleevers in a salt marsh next to a Benelli Nova for 8-10 months.

Any wagers on which one still works after that?

Smart money ain't on your gun, jOey.
Best,
Ted

Its the same old story, the expensive London gun didn't workout, but the Lefever H grade fits to a tee! KY, if the gun didn't fit right off the bat - did you think you were going to grow into it?

Well, that's quite possible. As people age their physical characteristics change and often (almost always) alterations to gun stock have to be made.
I have examined fair number of those London-made SxS and couple of O/Us, and can't understand what you see in them. To me they're are just like: Rolls Royce, Patek Philippe, or other things crafted for those who have everything. Let's face stark reality owning one isn't going to make you a better person, or turn you into king of england!
PS. In general folks who pay attention to what you shoot aren't worth a warm pitcher of spit, and I would not waste my time trying to hang around them.

This place is all about what you shoot.
I could say something trite, like the gun doesn't make the man - but that would be BS!
I've seen some crap guns here, and know the man is better than the gun.
I would have to say, you'd have to hunt the gun for a couple of seasons to get a better handle on it.
Btw Paul, I've never felt under gunned, or over gunned.

LG,
I'd agree with everything in your last post, but add that; yes, "this place" starts with being what you shoot by being a doublegun site, which puts it about obscure guns which are mostly more expensive than other guns, some greatly so. Since the membership here seems to contain mainly middle/upper middle economic stature people, they may have interest in seeing, hearing about, reading about, or even owning what's percieved as a high quality gun. A thread on an Ithaca 410 7E seems more interesting than a Huglu to me. 'Seems like normal aspirations to me.

What a man shoots reflects something about a man, what it reflects may not be easily discerned by the causual observer though. It could be one guy shoots a beat up M12 because thats about all he can practicably afford. Another guy may shoot the same condition/make because it brings back memories of his dad shooting this gun, even though he can now afford that H&H.

Thay's easy...more gunsmiths make a living repairing cheap guns.