I realize what you are saying eightbore. And also one has to keep in mind that patterns could be sent in that were different from the standard Winchester patterns in order to have the engraving pattern that the customer prefers. But if you look at the scroll work around the pheasants, the scroll has a double line on each curl. (Or whatever you call it) Any of the Winchester scroll only has one line on each curl. And I have never seen a Kusmit gun with the deep oak leaf pattern that are on the receiver. If it was done at Winchester, it looks like it would have been done out of house. I hate to run a guy's gun down, which I am not, but it just doesn't look like the standard Kusmit engraving to me. In some places it actually looks better than the Kusmits did. But that is just my opinion which probably doesn't mean much. Like I said, I would like to hear what Ken thinks.