Originally Posted By: jack maloney
In 1776 they lacked a SPECIFIC PLAN, couldn't explain how it would work, certainly had no notion of the eventual cost. And they didn't even have the luxury of successful examples to emulate. Even so, what they said to that point had very 'real value.'


"Only someone totally ignorant of American history" would conflate 1776 with 1787 and imply that the Founding Fathers waited until a SPECIFIC PLAN was nailed (including how it would work and what it would cost) before trying to sell the CONCEPT of independence and democracy.

I made it quite clear that the Founding Fathers started with a CONCEPT, and began selling it in 1776 - years before a SPECIFIC PLAN could take shape. If they had been afraid to move until all of the questions were answered (and some remain unanswered to this day!), we might still be subjects of the United Kingdom.

Originally Posted By: L. Brown
nothing you've said to this point is of any real value at all, unless you're willing to get behind A SPECIFIC PLAN. So . . . tell us which of the plans you've reviewed in detail you like best. Tell us why it's the best of the bunch. Then tell us why you think it will work well for the United States. Finally, tell us how much it's going to cost.


Larry, your insistence that a CONCEPT has no value unless a SPECIFIC PLAN is defined (and costed), just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Perhaps you should sneak back to that post on page 20 and change your words - you're good at that. Heck, you're even welcome to uncheck the 'Mark as Edited' box again.

Last edited by jack maloney; 02/29/08 01:25 PM.
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