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Very slim info...
On April 6, 1931, George Crandall, crossed into the US at Niagara Falls. He listed his father as G.B. Crandall. He was going to his Uncle Ford L. Crandall.
George listed his nationality as English and his age as 19.
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G.B. is Gladstone Blake Crandall. G.B. Crandall was granted U.S. Patent No. 862,717 on August 6, 1907, for a rifle sight. He filed application for the patent on November 13, 1906. His residence was listed as Cherry Valley, County of Prince Edward, Ontario.
Crandall is believed to have assembled 551 Tobin Guns from parts, some as late as 1951. Crandall serial numbers reportedly range from 18,976 to 19,526. Some of these guns are quite good and others leave a lot to be desired. Some of the last were fitted with coil springs mounted on a cocking rod instead of the floating V-spring, the main feature of Wollam’s design. Crandall is more noted as a riflemaker and is mentioned several times in Charles Landis’ book Twenty-Two Calibre Varmint Rifles. After he retired, great quantities of Tobin parts were hauled to the dump and many a local lad collected enough to assemble a gun, but few ever did. I was told by locals in Woodstock that after WW-II G.B.'s son moved down to Windsor/Detroit for higher paying work in the auto industry.
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Any mention of a Tobin gun with something like Sealer Special on the rib, which I saw in my fishing village several years ago? A gun to shoot seals.
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Gladstone Crandall
Age 7, 1881 Census birth place Prince Edward
1901 Census, Prince Edward, profession, farmer's son
Also residing here:
Stephen D Crandall 61
Fannie Crandall 64
Elda M Crandall 29
Lorne L Crandall 27
Gladstone Crandall 27
Spouse Eleanor Ethyeline Leagrove, married 22 Sep 1911.
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The Sealer Special was probably made for some hardware company in your part of the world, King. Tobin made lots of guns for the trade. I've seen them with only the word Tournament on the foreward part of the sideplate. I've seen them marked Worthington or C.G. Worthington. Some were marketted thru AF&Co and are so marked. Ones that were shipped to Australia were marked W.E. Ekins, Adelaide, and others were marked Kitchener or Kitchener Special, capitalizing on some well known gent of the Empire.
My favorite Seal gun was used by an old Norsk halibut fisherman friend of our family out of Seattle in my youth. Andy kept a Wesley Richards double rifle in .32-40 in the wheelhouse of his boat to shoot Seals. Wish I knew what became of it.
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Saw two Tobins at a local gunshow yesterday, both 12's 30" they both looked like the same model,...very symilar, first one had a game rib the other a flat rib and double beads, both case hardened(well worn) with border engraving and a dogs head on the lock plate,one had cut out frame (bbl lug exposed throgh the bottom of the frame) the other one didn't
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I've never seen a Tobin with other then the flat rib. They eliminated the lug through the bottom on the very late Woodstock factory guns. I've only seen a few of the Canadian guns and most of those were the No. 70 Trap Grade.
While the conventional wisdom was serial numbers to 11090 were Norwich and above that Woodstock, the highest Norwich I've seen is a 16-gauge Black Diamond serial number 11094. The lowest Woodstock gun I've recorded is 15,174. I've recorded three in the 15xxx range, five in the 17xxx range and one in the 18xxx range. The only one without the lug through the bottom of the frame I've recorded was a No. 200ET 17,89x.
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I guess I should have payed more attention but they really don't peak my interest that much to look at the ser #'s I know I will see the flat rib gun again because it has been at the same guys table for as long as I can remember,...don't know who had the other gun which judging from your comment would be the more interesting of the two,...If I see it again I'll pay more attention
CJ
The taste of poor quality lingers long after the cheap price is forgotten.........
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Fortunately not everyone is as anal retentive as I am, writing down serial numbers and specs!!
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Dave, what would we do without you?
Best,
Ted
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