I just think they're a lousy shell (football helmet on).

Bought one flat from the guy in TX while he was in business, and was most disappointed to find a plastic basewad in a paper shell. Turns out Fiocchi is making a similar product.

The paper seems brittle and thin. The whole product is not well conceived. I had many mouth tears on the half flat I've shot, big chunks of the case mouth flying out the bore.

Federal Paper they aren't.

"The price of good shotgunnery is constant practice" - Fred Kimble