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Tom,

I apologize if I made an erroneous conclusion and hope it doesn't stop you from posting here. I agree that it was very gentlemanly of the two of them to let you have it. I haven't accused you of fraud, I'm sure you had no such intentions. I just stated the facts and innocuous as your conversion may have seemed to you at the time it did violate auction rules as soon as you discussed price and bid limits. Probably better not to post it on a public board. I'm not implying you broke any laws. I am telling you that in some instances (probably not GB) it is against the law.

I think sometimes we forget that for every gun that is bought buy one of our fraternity, it must also be sold by someone else. I'm just tryng to present both sides of the coin. I know I wouldn't be happy if I received less than fair market value because bidders had an agreement.

This is from GB's Terms of Service...

10. Bid Manipulation. Bid manipulation of any kind is expressly forbidden. A seller is prohibited from placing bids or arranging to have bids placed on behalf of seller, seller's agent or assigns. No shill bidding is allowed. Buyers are prohibited from communicating with each other with the purpose of manipulating the final purchase price of an item.



Anyway, at the least it was a civil disagreement.

Rob

Glad I wasn't the seller.

never mind.

Perhaps any collusion or nobility at all constitutes the act of collusion or the state of nobility, but the idea that the actons of the principles in Tom's anecdote illustrates either on a grand scale is laughable. Three guys who know each other can choose to grease the wheel of civiliation or put a monkey wrench in it, but either way it's not much more than a matter of what this post was about--civility and manners. I would think nobility would demand more than the occasional act of deference to another's interests. As for collusion, it's also a matter of scale. Presumably no one lost a business, a home, or their life savings as a result.

jack

So much for the "Gentleman" post. Rob and Brian...me thinks that you guys have an axe to grind someplace. let me be ones to offer you the door to find that place! You really have to be kidding me!! Two guys get together and one decides to NOT place a bid on something and that is illegal/wrong?????

Unreal

CB

I'm a bit surprised RRob chucked a turd into this punchbowl of love. Not at all like Senor Recoil.

I do know the medium can easily lead to unintended offense. Lord knows I've done it by mistake. An unedited fast reply that has more insult than question. Amusing to me is snide to the reader. My solution to the emotional ambiguity of a BBS - if I'm going to be offensive; leave no doubt to the intended message, get out the 2x4 and provide clarity.

Sorry Rob but I flat out disagree with you. There is nothing wrong with 2 or 3 friends going to an auction and agreeing to not bid against each other. And, it sure as heck is not illegal. Driving up a bid for a friend who is selling is wrong (and possibly illegal). But, not bidding to allow a friend who made a find to buy it is a noble thing. At least, that is my opinion. My Best Regards, Jake

A pity that this topic has taken a bit of a side-track.

Good manners and gentlemanly behaviour are recognized by long term actions, not by a single post or response. Neither are they defined by extolling any particular virtue(s), nor by a tag-line. RecoilRob posted a comment, politely, neutrally and gave an explanation. In my view what he said is legally correct (certainly on this side of the Pond) and I did not see it as an attack on anyone. It was just another bit of the advice/learning that happens on this board, where posters throw out (or lob in?) the occasional remark for what it’s worth. Often we learn from them.

I have stepped back from buying something when I saw the item meant more to a colleague than to me. Quite legal, because I was not asked to do so. Had I been asked, it would have said much about the colleague, any my subsequent action would have said the same about me.

My maiden great-aunt, who died aged 102 towards the end of the last century, was a marvellous old lady. She once passed the comment “He is such a gentleman: he would even use a butterknife when dining alone.” Sad that today few would recognize, let alone use, a butterknife.

The gentlemen on this board are recoginzed as such by the content of their posts, and their answers. Tweeds and antique or “name” guns a gentleman do not make.
K.

You think if Lowell and I dress in up Edwardian garb and use our butter knives it will turn us into Great Gentlemen ?

"Buyers are prohibited from communicating with each other with the purpose of manipulating the final purchase price of an item."

When the whole world with access to the internet can bid, how is this "Buyers communicating with each other" even considered? Is it even possible?

Rob, I think bringing this up is not very positive. Am I missing something here?

JC