These queries have the potential to evoke alot of emotional juju, before ending badly. I hope this one doesn't go this way.

I've seen my hunting partner make 50 plus yd shots with a Winchester 1300 slug gun - rifle sights and all - using factory trap loads in #7.5. Yeah, yeah, I know that this is impossible. I know that it's impossible for me. But I've seen him do it......oh, only around 100 times over the past 18 years. He can get 3 responsible shots off in less time than a grease gun can cycle 3 rounds of .45 ACP.

He once conned me into taking a 55 yd (subsequently measured) shot at a phez with a .008 choked 20. Darned if if I didn't make it.......the bird wasn't exactly stone dead, though.

I used my M-12 16 choked .021 to stone an incoming phez at a measured 70 yds once. I favor this particular M-12 when guiding, and not infrequently put cripples down out to 50 yds or so. I really like B&Ps. When pushing the envelope premium ammo is worth every penny to me.

Sam