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ROTFLOL, talk about a straw man!

Adios Mr. Chambers.

JC

That makes 13 used oats postings by JC on one thread...wow..."LOL" is how he puts it...he thinks academic postings are to make sport of, and it's obvious in the way he conducts himself...He has raised being counter productive to an all time high at this system...unfortunately there's nothing funny about his brand of vandalism

Before you get away JC...do you have even the smallest bit of constructive information to offer this thread (Beagle's thread)?

Everybody is waiting for your answer JC...surely with 13 posts you have something constructive to say...let's hear it...we waded through 13 posts of crap out of you...so please tell what you know about Abeille or resurecting sliders...

Show everyone what you're really made of...or everyone will know that when you arrive on a thread, it's time to break out the hip waders...

Now let's hear your constructive contribution...

I liked JayCee's posts....

Now there's a fitting endorsement!

You know jOe, I also like Jaycee's posts, and yours, and Lowell's (usually), and I liked Walt Snyder's posts before I was informed he was a "research shark", and I've always respected Larry Brown's posts, and I've learned a lot about French Backsliders from Ted too. The list of the Flamed goes on and on and on.

I've tried ignoring Robert, but I do appreciate the good information he posts so I always end up going back to viewing his posts. And, he has shown a number of times that he can be incrediblly generous with both his knowledge and in other ways. He also seems to be wrong a lot and cannot abide with being corrected. I guess he did "cook" that catalog picture to try and make a point, but I don't think he intended to mislead.

I think he knows that he is going way beyond the pale of civility when he puts on his Flame Warrior outfit, and I'm satisfied that he just can't help it. Maybe he'll have a change of heart, or get some anger treatment or something.

I'm through with this thread though and I've clicked the ignore button on Robert again. Probably my loss, but I don't want to read any more of this...Geo

Once again, Robert . . . all you have to do to prove that Charlin made guns on the Darne patent is--produce such a gun. Then we can all agree, "Yes indeed, that is a Charlin-made Darne." Until that happens, there is nothing but speculation concerning the possibility of Charlin having produced any sliding breech guns other than under their own name and of their own design.

And M. Gournet has it nailed on F. Darne, or Darne Fils. No, those are not Darnes to "Darne collectors"--at least not knowledgeable Darne collectors. Is a Parker Reproduction a Parker? It is, after all, a perfect copy. But not made by Parker; rather, for Winchester in Japan. Same story with the Model 21's and Foxes currently turned out by CSMC. Collectors clearly recognize that those are not Winchester 21's, nor original Foxes. In none of those cases am I making any comment about the QUALITY of the "clones" in question, because that quality is often quite high. But it's a question of the gun being produced either by the original maker, or by a company that bought out the original maker and continued production of the same gun--which description clearly does not apply to the Darne clones, but does apply to Remington Parkers, Savage Foxes, and Marlin Elsies. (The latter except for the current Marlin Elsies, which are a totally different gun.) Bruchet bought the rights to continue to make Darnes, but they're often referred to either as just Bruchet, or Bruchet Darne--just as we refer to Remington Parkers, Savage (or Utica) Foxes, etc. It's a continuation of the same company rather than another company building guns on the same patent, once the patent protection has expired--which is what you have with the Darne clones, or with the non-VC Helice guns.

Some people call anything with a sliding breech (even a Charlin!) a Darne, just like we call facial tissue Kleenex, even if it's not made by Kleenex.

It's great if, through your efforts or John's, Beagle manages to resurrect his Abeille. That's certainly a positive outcome. But for all the bluff and bluster with which you entered the lists in this thread, you still haven't been able to tell Beagle anything about his gun--like who made it--that was not previously known. You made an effort to make a connection to Charlin, but that effort failed. So . . . we're still back to Square One on who made Beagle's gun. It's a Darne clone of some sort, maybe made by a company called Abeille; maybe by some St. Etienne gunmakers who chose that as a model name; maybe by Darne Fils. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with owning a French gun of "uncertain parentage". I've owned a bunch of them myself--non-VC Helices; some bearing no name at all; some bearing a name that almost certainly was not that of the maker. Some bearing somewhat misleading names, like a Petrik I owned marked "Gastinne Renette". That, for better or for worse, is the way it often works with French guns. And for that matter, it isn't all that different from British guns. In that case, they nearly all have names, but very frequently it's not the name of the real gunmaker. C'est la vie.

Well Darne it.

If that isn't just like you Larry...you've switched Remington Parker to Japanese Parker...

I don't believe a word you say anymore...you back up nothing with reference ...you flip your stance at the drop of a hat...you think that your keen understanding of French (the language) gives you some unparalleled understanding of French guns...

How about those books that aren't coming...you know, the ones that are already published...

Although I may be wrong about my interpretaions and spelling...at least I don't fabricate used oats to trowel out to these guys the way you do...errors beat bull every time...

I don't believe you ever owned a Gastinne Renette...I don't believe you worked for the CIA...and I don't believe that you ever worked for the Lockheed Skunk Works Team...prove me wrong, Larry...show us your entnac security clearance...I still have mine...I still have my diploma from US Army Intell School...and I can show it...(yes, although I was a US Marine, I graduated from an Army school)

C'mon Larry, spin these guys another yarn...roll that beautiful bean footage

What if yOu have oats in your bull ?

Believe it or not I used to be a brain surgeon.

I am no big fan of Larry Brown but the man can write cogently and he speaks French, a basic necessity to understand the available research material on French guns. So, although you heap disdain on his knowledge, I would give his arguments much more weight than your notions, buried as they are in toxic prose, devoid of spell-check, syntax and basic courtesy.
Imagine taking a guy seriously when he is pontificating on the handling benefits of the of an AC Cobra over a D-Type - and then finding out that he could not drive!!
You still have a few friends left here - they have tried to be kind to you, listen to them and go away for a while.
Km.