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What, 1957 isn't post war??? What war are you talking about Paul?
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I was responding to gun from ca. 1896. These post Great Patriotic War DDR guns are quite nice especially those from pre-1961 vintage when great depression of german minds took hold. As one esteemed member of this board said sometime there's nothing like a modern gun you do not have to baby sit. German piece becomes gun of the year sometime around December. This year RRL 28br 1 of 100 did steal the show in my hof. 
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Guess your wrong, Paul. I saw post-1961 GDR's guns and some of them were very well made. For sure GDR era Merkels are much better, than modern ones. Not so good guns been made just after the war till aprx. the end of 1946.
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Yes, most of that GDR stuff is head and shoulders above those genuine articles of same vintage from Eckenforde. That is quite strange because their 3000 series drills are nice guns.
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Thanks Geno,
Around here, that first boxlock is called a "Kim" model...I don't know why.... or what "Kim" means...although the Kim 20ga that I once owned didn't have a scalloped receiver but otherwise looked the same. Which is how I learned about the Kim model.
You don't happen to have a picture of the Krupp 4 ring steel, do you? There are plenty of Krupp 3 ring Sauers to be seen, I once owned a Krupp 5 ring (Simson SxS) , but this is the first reference to Krupp 4 ring that I've seen.
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The general post WW2 German guns I see are more like Sears Roebuck quality. They keep getting better and better as they get older. Merkel excepted.
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Obendorf's Kim is different model. There is model 8 in West Germany also.
I got pic of 4-ring steel. It was common steel (Russian 50a steel) after 1956 (?), when Intl.Great Court made them not to use 3-ring trademark.
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Are you talking about rings between Special-Gewehr and Lauf-Stahl on gun barrels. I think the difference between 3 rings and 4 rings is analogous to difference between Excedrin and Excedrin Migraine in analgesic isle of your local US drug store.  It's just like on those Parkers of different grades from Meriden CT all kinds of fancy smancy names on rib, but all same barrel steel. 
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Here's a quickie shot of the Krupp 4 ring logo on a 1959 Sauer boxlock:  That boxlock gun Geno shows looks like what I have seen designated as a Royal model.
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