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We are feeling the effects of a unprecedented population explosion in the only country in the world who has to put a wall up to keep people out, the only country in the world where people will risk life and limb to get here by any means possible!!!!!
The Founding Fathers have created a monster....called opportunity!!!!!
All the best

If you really want something legitimate to blame the loss of hunting ground on, blame the Estate Tax.

Unless the heirs of a large tract are independently wealthy [meaning outside of the land holdings], their Estate Tax liability will likely force them to sell out. So, they hire a realtor to sell it. Maybe Cabela's - maybe not - big ranch brokers are a dime a dozen.

Farmer's and rancher's ET liabilities are, and have been, rising, due to the increasing value of their land. The rise in their land values is primarily because undeveloped land is now being priced solely on its recreational value, not its agricultural value. And, as is correctly pointed out above, there are more people than ever who are interested in recreational properties.




That's why we live in the US - if you buy something, you can do what you want to with it. When you bought your house, did you expect the previous owners to show up and sleepover whenever they felt like it?

The potential good news is the new 'recreational' owners are probably more likely to make improvements geared towards wildlife.




Wildlife is flourishing in TX, because the people who own the land are working very hard to insure that it does.

Unlike TX, a large percentage of MT is owned by the state and federal government. Perhaps these owners aren't working quite so hard for the benefit of wildlife?

Well, LD I'm a lifelong Republican, if that's of any relevance or any of your biz. If you're going to label people by their geographic origin, the highest percentage of liberal Democrats and "liberal" personal relationship choice is from the bay area. I'm originally from Ohio and lived in MT as a kid. Frankly, it sounds like you agree with me that a landowner should be able to make his own policy on public hunting access to his land. What is it that you think I meant? BTW, I've never paid for pen raised birds to shoot either. I don't know who "...people like you..." refers to, nor why you'd go to personal insults over people posting their opinion. As for what happens in CA, if you don't care, then you don't care what happens to our country? CA is one of the largest economies in our country. What happens in CA affects all the other states as well. The reality is that our states are interdependent on each other. BTW, "prolly" is not a real word. You're method of advertising the friendliness of your B&B needs a little work.

pmag said:

"No it's not. Not one little bit. Fug the greedy bastards. I won't buy there until the discontinue this practice. Fug the paper and timber companies, too."

If he is seriously boycotting the paper companies, one wonders what product he is substituting during his daily sit on the white throne?

This time of year leaves don't work so well

I don't know how it is is the states you live in but here in Pennsylvania farmers can either do a Clean and Green where their taxes are cheaper for the property they own. If the land is sold to be used commerically then the new tennant has to pay the back taxes. Cabelas here in eastern Pa had to do just that. However how many years that property had been in Clean and Green they had to pay that much in taxes. Now if the property is set up in Farm Preservation, it can never be sold as anything but a farm, not even 1/2 acre can be used or sold seperately. The farmer is paid by the state per acre on how the property is set up as to how much per acre he will get.
Some don't care about making more money on their property and so do the Farm Presevaton.
The only way Cabelas or any big company is going to make on lot of money on the land is if they buy it and sit on. Otherwise they are just a broker and middle man and probably getting their 4-6%? commision.

ROTGALMAO.

Hey Chuck H! I am so glad to hear that you are one of the few Californians that doesnt belong to a duck club, buy shares in a pheasant co-op or pay trespass fees to hunt quail. You are fortunate, but PROLLY dont get out much. I agree with the Gentleman from Texas on the point of Texans having done a great deal for wildlife, and surprisingly, to me, a person can actually still find a few places to hunt, feeless, if they are willing to ask the real farmers and ranchers permission. Re: Chuck H's comments on the liberal bay area, DUH! dont live there anymore. I am very opinionated and emotional on the problem of leased properties decaying the land area for many hunters. AND I still dont care what happens in California...

L.D. - It never ceases to amaze me how people automatically assume things about your character based on "where you're from". There are "conservatives" in California, and "liberals" in Montana. Everyone is "from somewhere". My parents didn't ask me where I wanted to be born. My employer didn't ask me where I wanted to work. I have lived in Texas, Oklahoma, Illinios, Idaho, Washington and Alaska, and presently in Northern California. I would like to live somewhere else, like Montana. I have friends who feel the same way. I have tried to make the best of what life has offered me in terms of employment and a place to raise my family. What's important to me has not changed. The town where I live has changed politically, culturally and geographically - from small town to a city (not my choice). I have always loved to hunt, and enjoy the outdoors. I haven't changed as a person, politically or morally. I believe that I would "fit in" better somewhere else. But since some would label me as "a Californian", rather than judge me as the person I am, the thought of moving to a place I want to be makes me have second thoughts. What a shame we live in a society where so many judge people by the name of the state in which they live, and not by what kind of an American and person they are.

Another amazing deduction...and another wrong deduction.

I have friends that are landowners in SoDak and Calif. They allow me to hunt their land. I value and appreciate that very much. It's their right to either allow me to hunt their property or not. I would never be so presumptuous to expect that they let everyone or even me hunt their land nor would I tell them what I thought they ought to do about public hunting access.