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Chicago and others... your post is reminiscent of Chapstick and his strong stance that the 12 gauge was the undeniable bird killer, clay killer... As Chapstick drumbeats---higher percentage of kills because of the vastly greater quantity of pellets!, etc.
After playing with others I have decided (for now at least) to focus on double barrel 12 gauges and 410's. Both for very different deployments... Obviously. But these days I just don't have much use for the 20 or 16 or 28... Although I own them.
Yet going back to the specific start of this thread, Chuck, I would open them up AND I would use higher payload 20 gauge shells (if you load your own I would increase the pellet count) Moreover, and not to sound too much like a Chapstick fiend, I do think there is merit to his ardent philosophy for the 7 1/2... or 9's even for all birds... Just count how many friggin more pellets there are! hahahahahaa
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I like tight chokes and I really don't like to bore out factory barrels. And, it seems to me the issue here (at least presently) is the stock not the chokes. Get the stock right and shoot the gun a while. Give the poor thing a chance before you change it forever. My .02. Jake
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Guys, the stock is fixed. I've shot the gun for a season and some change.
The issue I have is with the chokes. The gun patterns very tightly. The IC patterns near Mod, the Mod patterns like IM, the second set of F/M barrels is the same way, more like XF/IM.
Yogi,
I'm not sure how you headed down the 12 vs 20 path or why I'd need more shot. I'm just trying to kill a little bird at relatively short range. I can't see putting more shot in the 20 beyond the 7/8 oz for dove/quail. In fact, I'm more inclined to shoot 3/4 oz. For phez, I shoot a 1 oz load of #5s with fairly tight chokes and I'm very satisfied with the results of that load. Like you, I've settled on 2 bores lately. My favorites just happen to be the 20g and .410. I may get into the 28g later, but for now, I'm very happy with the 20/410 shooting I'm doing.
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Chas: What up dude? I know you don't load 20ga... so.. since we gotta draw you a pitcher.. http://www.polywad-shotgun-shells.com/spreader-20-gauge-loads/ 
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Chicago and others... your post is reminiscent of Chapstick and his strong stance that the 12 gauge was the undeniable bird killer, clay killer... As Chapstick drumbeats---higher percentage of kills because of the vastly greater quantity of pellets!, etc.
After playing with others I have decided (for now at least) to focus on double barrel 12 gauges and 410's. Both for very different deployments... Obviously. But these days I just don't have much use for the 20 or 16 or 28... Although I own them.
Yet going back to the specific start of this thread, Chuck, I would open them up AND I would use higher payload 20 gauge shells (if you load your own I would increase the pellet count) Moreover, and not to sound too much like a Chapstick fiend, I do think there is merit to his ardent philosophy for the 7 1/2... or 9's even for all birds... Just count how many friggin more pellets there are! hahahahahaa Who is, or was "Chapstick?
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Jonesy,
I'm always up for a pitcher...o'beer that is. $14 a box!!!! I can buy a box of Wallyworlds finest for $3.75 and have $10.25 left over for COUPLE of pitchers at a cheap joint. If it's a heavy day of quail, I'll burn up 2 boxes into the side of hills and junipers. A dove day may be more boxes on a particularly wary bunch. Might even get up to covering dinner.
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Everyone I know refers to Capstick as "Chapstick".... hahaa
sorry for the confusion... I let my fingers slip here. I should have typed his name correctly as Capstick.
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Chuck--- Funny you should mention the 28 gauge... I was picking up a little 410 side by side yesterday at my local gun shop and there on the counter was a 28 gauge shell and I picked it up and said, "hmmmmmm, I do like how those look!"
I guess I went down that route of the 12 verses the 20 only because you said you missed that bird and wondered about opening up the chokes or not and was asking for comments... so the suggestion of more pellets was just one possible thought, but obviously it sounds like you hit em good with that 20 of yours overall and alittle tweek like opening up the bores a tad might benefit those crossing and close birdies...
I just recently re-read ""Capstick's"" rant on the benefits of MORE pellets to increase the percentages and thought it might be of benefit here.
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Geez... didn't know the limit on quail took 2 boxes of shells.. The obvious smart-alek comment would be if you could hit anything, like if you had some good shells  , it might not take all that many and the spreaders could actually be cost effective. But then you wouldn't get to shoot your gun as much... Seems like you have the best possible chokes right now... use Wally's finest for normal loads, carry a few Fiocchi nickle plated jobs for when the dog is just visible at a distance, and some spread loads for when you are crawling on your belly through the thick stuff ala John Kerry. The option of having what amounts to a choke change by dipping into the other pocket for shells when a close flush is imminent, seems well worth the extra cost... Of course, I load mine... the spreader inserts are 2 pennies each... B U Y A L O A D E R
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Jonesy,
I've been known to kill a lot foliage. Flushing dog, fast birds, sometimes narrow shooting lanes. Oh! and sometimes bad shooting...but that can't be it. Maybe I do need a 12g like Thorny suggests? Nah, I'd rather come home with less birds, having shot more ammo. My way of paying for F&G budget.
What is bu-yal-oader? Is that some kind of extra stinky boot odor?
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