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Little better pics. Is this JAM mark senior or later generation?

Since we had it about Francottes a bit earlier... I confess that I just treated myself to an early Christmas present. Looking forward to its arrival. I believe it might be a Francotte (plain model, but fine worksmanship) in 12/70, distributed by von Lengerke & Detmold New York.

I shall not quote the price, some esteemed readers might turn into
the Grinch, and I fear something might happen to Christmas then...

Merry times,
Carcano

That Guichard/Brueil is nice.

Unusual to see a boxlock “stocked to the fences”

Thanks, it fits me well just need to have a trigger job. First trigger pull is more than she weighs but somehow I shot it very successfully. Happy to hear of your score Carcano, share some pics when it arrives. Merry Christmas Everyone!

Yes, the encircled >>JAM<< is from effort by the garnisher / tubeset knitter in St. Etienne at the time......

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
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If the bores are in good shape you're quite likely to find you've gotten a serious bargain.

Both my French guns are barrelled by Breuil. Breuil's reputation as a barrel-maker was for high-quality work, one of the top 2 or 3 in France. One gun is a straight-up guild gun, 16 ga, liberated from a Norman barn in the summer of '44. It, too, has no "maker" name beyond the barrel/proof stampings. The other is a Maisonnial 12 ga. Maisonnial stamped his name on the barrels of my gun near the flats. Breuil stamped on the barrel flats. Best guesstimate on age of the Maisonnial is the mid-20s, serial # 12xx. Maisonnial lost/destroyed/misplaced his prewar records during the German occupation so exactly dating earlier guns is not possible. It's a high-quality gun - the internals are highly polished and numbered to the gun. It also has Birmingham proofs overstamped. Maisonnial is basically unheard-of here but highly respected in France.

Maisonnial came back today with new blue and wood refinish. Now all 3 of my French 16ga guns are ready to go. I believe this JAM is a Maisonnial, please let me know if not. Here is the Trio.Thanks

Those are really nice guns - if they have the JAM stamp in a circle they no doubt are Maisonnial. The father, son, grandson were all exceptional gun makers - see the history above. By the way the information on this board on Maisonnial has entered into Google AI lore:

While Jean Aimé Maisonnial commonly used a standard "A.M." mark under the barrels, the specific JAM stamp (representing his full initials: Jean Aimé Maisonnial) is occasionally found on components like the water table or the barrel flats.

How to Identify the StampFormat: It typically appears as the letters JAM enclosed within a small circle or oval.

Origin: Collectors and firearms historians specializing in French side-by-sides note that this specific stamp was often tied to the work of the garnisseur (the master craftsman or "tubeset knitter" responsible for assembling and aligning the double barrels) within the Saint-Étienne workshop ecosystem.

Do not believe we've seen the stamps and proof marks of all three of your 16 gauge guns. The hammer gun is unusual. Any chance of photos? Have you had the chokes relieved?