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All good points here but... I believe it all boils down to opportunity.

Very few folks (not just kids) are near to decent hunting grounds anymore and as the population density and the demographics of this country continues to change, that will become even harder to reverse.

The cities continue to grow and the rural areas seem to empty out. You' would think that would lead to better outcomes but... the politics and then the economics of it all do not seem to support that end.

Hunting is a cultural thing, not just a pastime, and it's values and social constructs are not being passed on in volumes that are substantial enough to sustain it IMHO.

It will linger in some regions (and in some families) but the opportunity to walk afield with a fine gun will become more rare with each passing generation. The wealthy will be the last to do it.

A diminishment of the liberties we were all promised at our birth here but that we have failed to maintain for the last 30 years or so.

More's the pity.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Wonko the Sane
And "new blood" ? It seems to me that the current political/economic/social climate is unlikely to attract any interest in joining whatever segment of the shooting community.

Have a nice day

Maybe if you weren't so immersed in the Californica way of life you would know that there are many thousands of new shotgunners each year, thanks to school programs encouraging participation.

There are immensely more opportunities that encourage youth to participate in shooting sports than there was 60 years ago when I was an adolescent/teenager.

Stan, I agree with you, but holy smokes, how old are you ?

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Wonko the Sane
And "new blood" ? It seems to me that the current political/economic/social climate is unlikely to attract any interest in joining whatever segment of the shooting community.

Have a nice day

Maybe if you weren't so immersed in the Californica way of life you would know that there are many thousands of new shotgunners each year, thanks to school programs encouraging participation.

There are immensely more opportunities that encourage youth to participate in shooting sports than there was 60 years ago when I was an adolescent/teenager.

Most - if not all - of the schools around here have at least a trap team, many of them have 30+ kids on them.


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The NRA has proven itself unreliable and corrupt. Period.
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Originally Posted by dirty harry
Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Wonko the Sane
And "new blood" ? It seems to me that the current political/economic/social climate is unlikely to attract any interest in joining whatever segment of the shooting community.

Have a nice day

Maybe if you weren't so immersed in the Californica way of life you would know that there are many thousands of new shotgunners each year, thanks to school programs encouraging participation.

There are immensely more opportunities that encourage youth to participate in shooting sports than there was 60 years ago when I was an adolescent/teenager.

Stan, I agree with you, but holy smokes, how old are you ?

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Originally Posted by dirty harry
Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by Wonko the Sane
And "new blood" ? It seems to me that the current political/economic/social climate is unlikely to attract any interest in joining whatever segment of the shooting community.

Have a nice day

Maybe if you weren't so immersed in the Californica way of life you would know that there are many thousands of new shotgunners each year, thanks to school programs encouraging participation.

There are immensely more opportunities that encourage youth to participate in shooting sports than there was 60 years ago when I was an adolescent/teenager.

Stan, I agree with you, but holy smokes, how old are you ?

Dirty Harry

Well, read my post closely and you should be able to get pretty close. Sixty years plus adolescent or early teenage years would be what? 74?


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Probably not, it's going to remain a niche market that grows smaller & smaller every year

Without a doubt the British box locks are better guns compared the Stoegers out of Brazil or the various Turkish guns, but you don't see, at least here in CT, British box locks on the racks of the guns stores.

Who is going to introduce them to a SxS? It's great that high schools and universities have skeet & trap teams, but what guns are they using, almost certainly O/U or semi auto.

I shoot skeet and scap (wobble trap from the skeet stations) almost every Sunday and almost always with a British hammer gun or side lock for skeet. My friends think the guns are interesting and appreciate them, but they aren't going to spend the money for one and here are some of the reasons:

Cost of the gun, cost of ammo for the 2.5" shell, cost to repair when they break (not counting finding a qualified gunsmith to fix the gun that doesn't have a significant backlog) double triggers, lack of interchangeable chokes.

If you're young and a new shotgun user, why spend $1000+ for a used, perhaps tired looking British box lock when you can by a CZ for under $700 that comes in a hard plastic case and with 5 chokes?


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I guess what I left unspoken earlier here is this: side by sides are primarily hunting tools and it then follows that... if nobody is hunting, they won't be properly appreciated, even if they are wonderfully hand-made and balanced works of art.

Even the recent lower cost of entry won't save them and for all the reasons mentioned above here (odd/scarce ammo, lack of talented repair/modification options, etc.).

If you're not swinging a good one on a bird, you'll never know what you're missing.

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Originally Posted by Geoff Roznak
Most - if not all - of the schools around here have at least a trap team, many of them have 30+ kids on them.

What TransGomer Joff neglects to mention is the millions of dollars the NRA Foundation has donated, and continues to donate, to fund and support these High School Shooting Sports teams and clubs. These grants help to supply guns, ammunition, targets, equipment, safety training, coaching, etc. They insure that young kids will be exposed to and become interested in the shooting sports.

Instead, Joff chooses to spread Democrat lies and propaganda in order to denigrate the NRA. Closet Democrat Gun Owners like Joff are worse than having Chinese spies working in the Pentagon.


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The NRA has proven itself unreliable and corrupt. Period.
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Originally Posted by Lloyd3
I guess what I left unspoken earlier here is this: side by sides are primarily hunting tools and it then follows that... if nobody is hunting, they won't be properly appreciated.....

.....If you're not swinging a good one on a bird, you'll never know what you're missing.

The first service in the Sistine Chaple after the upgrade, might have had people saying, nice paint job. Many classic muscle cars aren't driven, and their value seems down recently. I think many folks here, have collections that are important in and of themselves, without much shooting for any reason. Watches, antique tractors, hand carved dekes, I'd doubt any serve their original purpose, nor are they headed for a bon fire.

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Originally Posted by keith
I'm here to try to blow up another thread with angry, ranting lies, name calling, and insults to try to provoke a reaction I'm not worthy of.

Did you know I have no integrity at all and don't pay my bets?

Yes, we know all of that. It's fun to watch you try...and fail again, and again, and again, to get what you want while you show everyone your ass.

Here's a teaser for you: I've got a surprise coming for you.

Most will love it.

You'll hate it.

Try to guess what it is.

...and where's my $2,000?


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