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Originally Posted by Carcano
You are very right, Raimey. These cities and towns that you name her, Olmütz and Mährisch Ostrau, were also an integral part of what was once called Central Europe, and what after 1918 and especially after 1945 has been too easily forgotten, in lieu of an artificial West <-> East division in Europe.

Both were "German cities" in the sense that of majority of their population since the Middle Ages spoke German, and that the city was constituted according to German law. Yet that must not be misconstrue this in a more modern, 19th century sense of ethnically based nationalism.
Both belonged, until 1918, to the Habsburgian Margraviate of Moravia, which on its turn was one part of the "Lands of the Bohemian Crown", hereditary in House of Habsburg.
So, they were subjects of the Emperor, inhabitants of Cisleithania, linguistically and maybe culturally Germans.

Jani might chime in here, from his "Windische" (as it was then called) perspective on Ferlach. Some parallels are obvious. ;-)

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As a descendant of a Sudeten family (my mother was actually born some km south of Olmütz) I may chime in here.
My opinion is that until 1918 or so these people actually felt to be Austrians, Habsburg subjects, of course German-speaking, but also with a lot of contempt for "Reichsdeutsche", the subjects of the German empire living in the North.
After all, a united Germany was still quite young then.
Of course later, into the 1930s, with increase of ethnically base nationalism, the attraction of "Grossdeutschland" mounted - the rest is history.

For studying the history of Bohemian hunting, and many interesting guns, the museum in Ohrada is to be recommended
https://www.nzm.cz/en/visit-us/tickets-and-entrance/nzm-ohrada

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Lovely addition & elaboration there 7,35 Carcano.

Much advancement & strict attention to detail could be found among the mechanics in the Empire/Bohemia. I failed to mention a couple prominent mechanics who were influential across the Empire. Namely, Anton Vincenz Lebed who was considered one of the Best. And a true stickler for detail was Joh. Kalezky, who hung out his gunmaking shingle in 1845. He was the source point for Alexander Henry's platforms for the Empire, located in Wien, which was the premier location for luxury items made exclusively for the Imperial Court, Nobility & Military Officials.

Also, the Sodia family of gunmakers were displaced from Slovenia to Ferlach, as were several other gunmaker families, where they became the core craftsmen to produce upper rung offerings.

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Ah, I still omitted the Kuchenreuter family of gunmakers. And there were others, of course, but most of the ones I noted outfitted Nobility.


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Now most of the Kuchenreuter dynasty was working in and around Regensburg, which is Bavaria (today; Regensburg was an independent Freie Reichsstadt until 1806), and anyway not exactly Bohemia.
Remarkably still active today in Cham, which is a bit closer to the Czech border
https://www.kuchenreuter.de/buechsenmacherei
But you might mention the Haberdas of Krumau and Frauenberg, catering to the Schwarzenberg dynasty.

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Yeah, fair-point, and I was trying to keep the area under the Bohemian Umbrella, but I will take any and all.


Most interesting about your maternal tree. As previously state in some fashion or another, there is a huge story about the Bohemian Area/Empire that remains untold.


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A hunting anecdote from my friend Dr. Tscharkart (sp?), who was raised in Sudetenland and whose father was a big landowner and well-known hunter. On the first day of the small game season, his father always held a large drive hunt and overnight feast. The day before the season opened, his father killed a Hase and hung it on the water pump handle in the courtyard of his house as a sign to everyone that he was the "boss" of hunt there, not the authorities.
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Originally Posted by ellenbr
As previously state in some fashion or another, there is a huge story about the Bohemian Area/Empire that remains untold.

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Yes, there certainly was and still is a lot of history there that is conveniently ignored or forgotten. But isn't this the same in all other parts of the world?

Prague is actually closer to Regensburg than to Vienna.
But then, Regensburg was part of the large but loose German empire, and actually until 1806 the seat of its parliament, the "Immerwährende Reichstag"
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immerw%C3%A4hrender_Reichstag

All the influental nobility came there, the Kuchenreuters profited and thrived, but this ended in 1806.
I think the heyday of the Kuchenreuters was before this, and paired and cased pistols were probably more important for them as hunting guns.

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