I still like 1/2oz of hard 8s in a 2-1/2" full choke .410, but doves have been so scarce around here the last few years that I'm taking a 28ga and a 20ga as my primary guns, with a 12 in the truck, just in case. Shooting opening day in Kalifornia, so that has to be non-tox steel 6s and 7s. Then it's off to AZ for a few days, where they have their heads on straight.