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Your seating die is set too low and pushing the shoulder back as you seat your bullets. Raise the die up and then turn the seating pin down to get the bullet depth back. You're over crimping the necks and that's pushing the shoulders back. Whatever it is, that is way too much crimp. I never crimp bottleneck cartridges bullets for a bolt rifle until you're getting into big magnum or Nitro Express cartridges.. Don’t you guys read what is already posted before you comment? I load by the 10’s of thousands and it isn’t a guess at what the problem is! In this case I didn't. So what do you want from me now? Nothing, do you read the instructions on your pill bottles before you take your medication?
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Your seating die is set too low and pushing the shoulder back as you seat your bullets. Raise the die up and then turn the seating pin down to get the bullet depth back. You're over crimping the necks and that's pushing the shoulders back. Whatever it is, that is way too much crimp. I never crimp bottleneck cartridges bullets for a bolt rifle until you're getting into big magnum or Nitro Express cartridges.. Don’t you guys read what is already posted before you comment? I load by the 10’s of thousands and it isn’t a guess at what the problem is! In this case I didn't. So what do you want from me now? Nothing, do you read the instructions on your pill bottles before you take your medication? Not when it's the same medication I've been taking for 15 years.
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Your seating die is set too low and pushing the shoulder back as you seat your bullets. Raise the die up and then turn the seating pin down to get the bullet depth back. You're over crimping the necks and that's pushing the shoulders back. Whatever it is, that is way too much crimp. I never crimp bottleneck cartridges bullets for a bolt rifle until you're getting into big magnum or Nitro Express cartridges.. Don’t you guys read what is already posted before you comment? I load by the 10’s of thousands and it isn’t a guess at what the problem is! In this case I didn't. So what do you want from me now? Nothing, do you read the instructions on your pill bottles before you take your medication? Seems like you've really got your panties in a twist over this. I'm done with it.
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A simple question turned into a whirlpool of emotions.
Sorry for the derailment, but I wanted the OP to understand I know what I’m talking about even if Heckle and and Jeckle don’t agree…
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Dodging lions and wasting time.....
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As stated, crimp step not needed in most bolt action cartridges without significant recoil.
I use the Lee Factory Crimp die but ONLY on lever action cartridges with older tubular magazines: the 348 WCF, 33 WCF, and 45 -70 in Winchester 1886 and early Model 71 rifles.
The Lee FCD must be used carefully, regardless.
RCBS dies used on 90% of my reloading from 270WCF through 375 H&H, up to 450 Alaskan.
The Lee FCD in 450 Alaskan is rare and requires careful adjustment-but it really works well, as the 450 Alaskan cartridge generates substantial recoil in a lever action Model 71 with 400 gr bullets.
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I really appreciate all the helpful input here. I'm certainly over applying the factory crimp die. I'm going to try some without crimping the neck. Keith, I appreciate your suggestion to try rolling the cartridges between two pieces of steel to try and get them to fit. I tried that, and I was able to reduce the diameter some, but ultimately I could not get them to chamber. I need to purchase a bullet puller to re-do these cartridges and a few other problematic ones I've acquired over the years. I'll start a new thread asking for input on bullet pullers and recycling components. Again, thanks everyone for the helpful input.
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earlyriser,
I answered your posting on bullet pullers. The older cartridges' powder should be kept separate. If the older cartridges are differing calibers, that speaks for an inertia puller.
Mike
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Today I used the full length sizing die, and then tried chambering the cases in the rifle. They chambered perfectly. I'll soon reload them and fire them so they will be fire-formed again. Thank you again to everyone who helped me work through this. I learned a lot!
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Going forward, I'd suggest neck sizing only, so long as the cartridges will be used in just one rifle. Your brass will last longer, and you may see smaller groups as well. Best of luck.
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