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Somewhere in your accumulation phase, you cross from general purpose ordinance to specific-use stuff. Realistically, you can probably use one gun to nearly do it all but...where would the fun be in that? If you're interested in or motivated by art and history then by all means shoot something that scratches that itch. If you're more focused on targets then knock yourself out and get the specific "target" gun that suits your needs, and if upland is one of the Gods you worship well then....you'll probably have to consider a 2-inch gun eventually, right?

Working at MW Reynolds over the years exposed me to a number of these guns and I coveted almost every one I handled, imagining using it on the grouse trails that I walked as a boy and that I continue to walk every Fall. With the prices of most all double guns slowly coming down these days I was finally able to "justify" (for lack of a better word) picking one up.

Better late than never, eh?

Am I going to be impressed or ultmately disappointed? I had clients that absolutely loved them (even using them on pheasants) but I also had folks that couldn't wait to move them on. Ammo has always been the challenge and it continues to be unless you reload (which I can). Haven't seen it yet but...a kid at Chrstmas couldn't be more worked up.

Mossberg .410 pump, purchased for wife and son to use at gun safety training. Kid was 12, and was shooting a 12 gauge about 10 minutes after he got on the range. Wife couldn’t swing the .410, but, wanting to shoot, she spent the whole afternoon shooting at the patterning board. One of the pullers at the club was a state skeet shooter, and she finished the wife’s round of skeet I paid for, while I pulled for her.
Great day.

Hasn’t been touched since.

Best,
Ted

🔫

Most people end up with a closet full of guns they don’t shoot.
You get older, you shoot less.
Ultimately you stop.

If you factor in repairs that take them out of use for more than a year at a time, their use really plummets.

The best solution I came up with was

Don’t spend your lunch money on another fancy shotgun,

and don’t worry about it,

and find somebody who can dispose of everything for you fairly when you’re done looking at them,

and hopefully you live a long time and get a lot of enjoyment out of them.

Forget about the money, and just do what you can do.

CZ: Thankfully, this isn't about "lunch money".

It's more about staring down my pending 70s and finally letting go of the "delayed gratification" mindset I've been living for most (if not all) of my life. A small gift from a childhood spent in Appalachia I suppose.

It has served me well to this point and while I'm not yet ready to become a profligate, I am going to start living a little less cautiously.

My wife now likes big travel, I don't mind it but...I like autumnal forrests even better. We can do both (if time allows).

Carpe Diem!

That’s kind of the point Lloyd

Don’t wait, you don’t get the time back.

I’ve seen people get divorced over the purchase of fancy Shotguns.

A person has to be comfortable with the framework within which they live.

It overlays with the collector vs shooter mindset.
Broad differences there.

I believe it is:
Best to enjoy what you can while you can.

They end up in the closet soon enough.

Pushing 80 real close and troublesome hips, my days of long hikes for grouse and pheasants are pretty much a thing of the past. I still hit small patches of cover for quail and walk some fencelines for doves. Paddling the canoe or running the boat for ducks still works for me. I have all the sxs's and o/u for that fill my needs so shotgun purchases petered out a few years ago. It would take an incredible deal on something special that would fit what I do for me to even think about a purchase.

My main passion is coyote hunting and experimenting with rifles, scopes and cartridges. Even here I have enough rifles rifles that now I change barrels, stocks and scope to try new things.

The only thing that still eludes me is a small caliber drilling for close in coyote calling, my go-to now is a 16ga/16ga/6.5x58R. would love to find a 16/16/5.6x52R or 222 Rem. There out there but it would have to be a real deal.

Guns are still a big part of my life, hunting, experimenting, inventing new ways to do things with hunting gear and what i live for.

Most of the special guns are gone now. I spent several years actively seeking and buying the more rare American doubles. They were eventually turned into college tuitions, down payments for homes and other needy items for the kids and grandkids. Honestly, I don’t miss them much*.The heavy 10’s weren’t ever used much as were the stubby barreled small gauge guns. Garden variety rifles and handguns bought right provided a good avenue to finance more shotguns.
My collection now is just a hodge podge of stuff that probably wouldn’t thrill anyone. But what I have (except the big bore rifles) gets shot a lot. There’s still room to lower inventory.
Two or three SC tourneys and several rifle matches a month plus casual shooting keeps me busy reloading, casting, and happy.
I used to moan about the quick depletion of components until it sunk in that it’s just an indicator of how much shooting I do. Lots of friends in my age group are gone or unable to shoot anymore. No doubt I’m blessed!

*On second thought there was a F grade Model 11 and a 32” HE Fox that I wouldn’t mind making room in the safe again.😀

I got one for you.

Italian “Companion” folding 12 gauge 3” (!) shotgun. My dad made my mom drive all over town just before Christmas, 1973 looking for one with a vent rib. I shot it for a year or so, and then bought my dad’s deer hunting partners Remington model 17. A repeater is where it is at.

I never sold either of those, and, every few seasons, back when whatever dog I owned and I were younger, we’d get a good dump of snow before the season ended. I would grab the snowshoes, my pooch, a sandwich and a thermos of coffee, and go grouse hunting, on snowshoes. The 30” tube on the Companion made it a fair balance pole, and the notion of needing a second shot while on snowshoes is beyond optimistic-hell, you seldom need the first shot. It was great exercise, I don’t believe I ever took a shot, and had some spectacular flushes of grouse out of the snow, one from between the tips of my snowshoes.

Not sure I have the knees for that, at this point, but, if it happens again, I’ll try it again.

Best,
Ted

At 79 looking close to 80, I've come to realize that you can replace anything in your life.......except time! As CZ has said, "out there doing the best that I can".
Karl

most of the special guns that were once in my hands...

are now in the hands of others...

as it should be...

the joy of special things is the knowledge...

that they are now bringing joy to others...

My special "pair", Browning BSS-SL 12 & 20 ga.
Karl

Karl,
If you need an heir, I could put that 20 to some “special use” when you are done with it.

Nice wood, too.

Best,
Ted

Ted,
Oddly enough, the 12 ga. has seen the vast majority of the birds and targets that I've shot, so maybe. The 20 ga. was purchased just because! My "barbeque gun" is my12 ga. Churchill, purchased because I just had to have an English sxs.
Karl

That 20 would make an awfully nice companion to my BSS 12!! My BSS 20 Boxlock just does not complement the 12 like this one would. Hint, Hint!!!

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A regular BSS boxlock - as much as some people like them - isn't ever going to be collectable, or worth much. Better to take it out and use it.

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Preach it. Pass it along to this guy, too:

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=677003#Post677003

Best,
Ted

Karl, that’s a really nice EJ Churchill XXV. I always thought a Churchill XXV shotgun would be the perfect forest grouse gun re: short barrels for quick instinctive shooting.

Lloyd, For me I’m a history guy, I like seeing the old Colonial trade firearms at gunshows. To me they are very special, a tangible piece of history. I have one, a lower grade Clabrough and Johnstone, dated circa 1920. In the book 'Trade Guns of the Hudson Bay Company 1670-1970' by S. James Gooding, the first mention of the English breech loading shotgun is first listed in the HBC catalog dated 1896-1901. The book states that "most of the muzzle and breech loading shotguns in this period were made by the traditional London & Birmingham suppliers: Hollis, Bentley & Playfair, C.O. Bircham, C.G Bonehill (Ltd.), W.J Jeffrey & Co., T. Bland & Sons, JP Clabrough, and later JP Clabrough & Johnstone (HBC production between 1894-1920+), Joseph Bourne & Son, and Bentley & Playfair." pgs. 102-105, 147.

What date is your newly acquired 2 inch 12 gauge shotgun? You will have to look and see if it has a J.A mark stamp on the action or barrels. Apparently Joseph Asbury of Birmingham supplied most of the 2 inch gun actions and barrels to the trade between the war years. Joseph Asbury

Tim,
My Churchill is actually a 26" gun made in 1910 prior to Robert Churchill's 25 model. At 5 lbs. 12 oz. it is quite the '"wand" for grouse and woodcock!

Mr. Cartmell:

Deciphering what I can from the few photos I've seen, this very-light non-ejector is early in Skimin & Wood's 2-inch production, likely from 1930. I don't yet see the JA mark on this guns barrel flats (at least from what I can make out).

I have yet to find a defining history of the 2-inch guns that fills in all of the holes. We had several H&H 2-inch guns and even a Purdey at the shop which I know were built in-house (the Purdey was built for a Maharajah), but we also had some Lincoln Jeffries guns that did not seem to be Skimin & Woods production (IIRC the action bodies were very different) and there were several others (can't recall them all now). Mark Reynolds liked them for the shop and picked up every decent one he could when he was buying in England, so we usually had one or two on hand during the busy years. We also stocked several RST 2-inch shell loads.

The 26-inch tubed guns didn't work all that well for me but... the longer ones seemed simply magical. As I've mentioned earlier here, I coveted almost every one (but could not justify the expense while my little Brummy BLE 16 was working so-well for me).

The reference library from my working days there...





My questions would be: did they all have Churchill ribs(?), how many had ejectors(most?), how many had 28-inch tubes (not many, I'd reckon?), what were standard chokes & LOP, what were standard wall-thicknesses (I've measured some shocking ones, a MacPherson & a Holland still comes to mind), and what were the more-common ranges of embellishment?

A good Vic Venters article on the subject: https://shootingsportsman.com/short-shell-12-2-guns/

Thanks for the reply Lloyd. All good information.

I do find the Birmingham gun trade fascinating with all its interconnectedness.

I was curious about the J.A mark and the associated UK Trade Mark website Skimin & Wood statement. My circa 1915 Hollis, Bentley & Playfair shotgun barrels also have Joseph Asbury’s J.A stamped initials.

Oh, rest assured, I have!! Not much mind you, but a few times on quail and chukar. I am still in the market for the sidelock model though, just because I have the BSS 12 sidelock.

If, just if, you ever decide you are willing to part with it, I would greatly appreciate a heads up.

I’ve enjoyed shooting grouse with a Citori super light 20 gauge since the early 1990s.

I enjoy shooting the BSS 20 with the straight grip even more.

I’ve already migrated through a half a dozen other sources, and what I found was that for a person that shoots a lot of targets, the extra beef of the BSS 20 makes your first shot kill percentage higher than oh, let’s say an AYA Briarwood, Grulla Consort, or AYA #1.
In more open terrain, I don’t know if you can beat the McNaughton or Dickson RA.

Limiting yourself, of course, to only two cartridges, unless it attended by a loader.

About 30 years ago, some friends and I booked an October hunt in the Adirondacks by horseback. I brought a .308 BLR rifle and a 20ga Ithaca, deer and grouse. I couldn't carry both so it was one at a time. Whenever I was carrying the rifle, I saw grouse. So I went out with the shotgun. Saw a bunch of deer, no grouse.
Two years later, we booked a trip with the same outfitter. I bought an Nimrod drilling, 16 X 16/8 X 57. I saw nothing that trip, but that's my first dedicated gun..

I purchased a 3 inch 12 gauge Henri Piper sxs for duck hunting. And then a year later 3 1/2 inch 10 gauge AYA for goose.

Finally, Zeke, my hunting mentor, talked me into buying a 2 inch 12 gauge. He had a Westley Richards 2 inch 12 gauge, he kept an eye out and let me know when there was a good purchase to be had so I have a 2 inch 12 gauge Hellis for woodcock and grouse. I contacted Charles Hellis in 2005 and they were kind enough to share all the information they had about it from their records. S/n #4135, a JA marked gun, the model was called the Reliable. Sold to Mr. Wilson for 25£ in 1936. It was one of 12 guns they made in that configuration in 1936/1937.

I have not had the opportunity to shoot any of these four guns in the last 10 years. Hope springs eternal though, and I have plenty of other guns I've never used to divest myself of before moving these along.

In the book, Birmingham Gunmakers, by Douglas Tate, pgs. 100-104, Skimin & Wood; he states that in the Birmingham quarter, an “entrepreneurial gunmaker businessman or provincial gunmaker often used self employed specialists and outworkers in a gun’s construction. He goes on to state, Skimin had used Joseph Asbury, an actionmaker in Lench Street to make up 20 bore actions to fit 12 bore faces for their lightweight 2 inch 12 bore shotguns. States that the guns were offered finished to the trade “Wholesale Only” in August 1930. States some of Skimin & Wood clients for these guns included, Graham of Inverness, MacPhersons of Inverness, Kimball Arms in the USA, Linsley Brothers and C.S. Rosson.

Also, in 'British Gunmakers', Volume Two - Birmingham, Scotland & the Regions, by Nigel Brown, pg. 139, under CS Rosson it states, "In the years before the Second World War Rosson, like many small gunmaking businesses started having a number of their guns made up for them to their specifications by the trade. Most of them were in fact built by Joseph Curry of New House Lane, Whittall Street and in many cases using high quality Joseph Asbury action and barrel machinings. The J A initials to be found stamped on the barrels of a number of Rosson guns of that period confirming their origins." Joseph Curry of Birmingham is listed as being a Gun Finisher by trade, in business 1912-1950, as stated within Nigel Brown’s aforementioned book.

So who made what and who turned the screw?

Interesting, my brother has a 20-gauge Graham that wouldn't surprise me to find that it was Skimin & Woods sourced.

1930s gun, very slim, long and light.

The initials appear on a barrel, not the flats. Gil

Gil:

I've blown up the pix I have of the barrels and still don't see JA or any other makers initials. I also don't see the crossed halberds of the Birmingham proof house for some reason? They can be very faint at times...

When does this gun appear in Colorado, Lloyd?

Seems you were lucky to find a 28” barrel version.

Best,
Ted

This week Ted. I will be competing with all the folks that are trying to do transfers that beat the semi-auto gun ban here taking effect on August 1st. No more "black guns" here after that (w/o a special state-issued permit).

It wasn't luck BTW, I don't do well with anything much shorter than 27-inches.

I’ve handled a bunch of 2” guns over the years, and don’t believe I ever had the pleasure of seeing one built with 28” barrels. I only believe I saw the dozen or so that I have seen at shows locally because guys bought them thinking guns that were floating just under the 6 pound of weight mark were going to be so great to carry.

Then they got around to the business of trying to shoot them.

There are a lot of grouse hunters here. The 2” thing seemed to have swept through 2005-2015 or so. Haven’t seen anything of late, but, that is because the people who are elected to run the metro area have pretty much outlawed gun shows on public property, and I don’t participate much anymore. However, there was a time when you could find Spanish and English versions for sale, pretty regularly. But, I doubt it is like it was, for a variety of reasons.

I have a 20 gauge that literally apes a 12, 6 and a half luscious pounds, 3” chambers, 28” barrels with modified and improved modified chokes, beavertail, open pistol grip, and even white line spacers from the trailer park thrown in for good measure. It was a gift, from a very elderly friend, who never got around to using it.

I grudgingly admit to shooting if far better than I like. I’ve had all the mental arguments with myself, like, why carry a 20 that weighs like a 12, why shoot an inferior load to a 16 or a 12, yada, yada, yada. It comes down to the results are hard to argue with, for me. I’d really like to say that I can shoot a 5 3/4 pound 2” 12 gauge 2” gun just as well. But, I’d be lying to myself, the dog, and the birds if I tried that.

A man’s got to know his limitations. I haven’t sold it yet.

https://ibb.co/4gXxVSd0




Best of luck with the new to you gun.

Best,
Ted

Lloyd, it seems as though the U.S. Supreme Court has already decided on the unconstitutional nature of this new gun ban law in their recent Bruen decision.

But once again, lawless anti-gun Democrats are ignoring the Constitution and precedent, and infringing upon the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding U.S citizens.And a number of retarded gun owners keep voting for the people who despise them and their guns.

I wonder if a certain Liberal Left Free Advertising Colorado gunsmith will vow to no longer support Democrats after this egregious and unlawful attack on Civil Rights???

I bet the answer is a resounding and hypocritical NO... because it isn't about having principles. It's about blind allegiance to left-wing idealogy.

Enjoy your new 2" 12 ga. shotgun.... while you can.

I was describing my recent acquisition for a fellow fly fisherman the other day. Here is how I described it:

"A 2-inch 12 is basically a 20 frame w/12 tubes. Everything has been modified with an eye to weight savings, thin stocks, struck-down walls in the tubeset (22-23k instead of the standard 30k thickness), most have 26-inch barrels, short(er) LOP, etc. The stubby little 2-inch shells look funny but they can still wallop you and reportedly pattern (& kill) very effectively.

Not designed for target or even more-regular (heavy) use, they will eventually shoot loose if not used prudently (the tubes can dent easily & the stocks are frightfully thin) so don't drop or foolishly handle one, eh? These are pretty much single-use specialty "birdguns" used for longish walks with minimal shooting, period. Not your average pumpgun guy's choice for a slugfest with the buddies.

The bamboo fly rod of shotguns IMHO."

Did I do it justice?

I think a 32" barreled .410 S X S would be the bamboo fly rod of shotguns (4 weight?).

Awe Karen, why don't you call me by my name?

If a better option was offered than the Democrats, I would be happy to support it, but the bat guano crazy GOP won't be getting a vote from me any time soon after supporting that criminal DJT. Want a good laugh? Look at the GOP nominee for Gov. here in CO, Victor Marx who claims to have killed his first man at age 7 and to be an exorcist......I think I'll pass on supporting that.

Don't like it? I will generously increase my offer to you, not only am I willing to send you a very, very tiny package of sand for you to pound, I will include a short length of rope for you to piss up.

All my best Princess and an early happy anniversary to you and frAnk.

Stanton: the .410 you're describing would certainly fit into the realm of "highly specialized" firearms.

Edit to add: Keith...these new gun laws are a bitter pill, no question. Colorado was a wonderful place when I got here 41-years ago, it simply isn't any more. Not sure how that gets fixed?

My description of my pending acquisition got this mild rebuttal from another fly fisherman on that same web page yesterday:

"With a shorter shot column, the 2" 12 gauge shell is basically an improved 20 gauge patterning the same 7/8 to 1 ounce loads better that the standard 2 3/4" 20 gauge. It's the same pattern advantage that the 28 gauge shell shooting the same 3/4 ounce load as a 3" 410 bore delivers with a wider, shorter shot column. "

I'd never considered this perspective before, so I appreciate his input.

Does his argument have any merit?

My ongoing experiences would have me say "no". My little Dickenson 28 is indeed a lovely option to have, but....my perception (after hunting it several times over several years "up Nort") is that it kills slightly less-efficiently than my 16 does and that both are slightly less-efficient than my 6 3/4 lb Arrieta 12.

Operating on the theory that 12 bores do the better job here (but that they extract a slight weight "toll" on long-term carry situations) I'm hoping this 2-inch gun is the "Golden Mean" for my particular set of circumstances up there. Time will, of course, tell. I am just grateful for the opportunity to give it all a try.

Yet another unscientific survey, eh?

In a consideration of average grouse ranges to registered 20 gauge and 12 gauge skeet scores it would appear there is very little room for improvement in 20 gauge patterns. I’m told some top competitors use the 20 gauge in 12 gauge events.

At longer ranges and on tougher birds the 12 gauge is certainly going to be more effective. At 25 yards and under don’t think it will show.

Mr. Hale:

I'm not sure that your skeet scores translate well to the grouse woods. I could be wrong here, but I think there are far too-many variables involved. IMHO the data derived from a static shooting "game" won't likely apply well to the realities encountered in actual hunting situations.

Well, the data doesn’t lie.

Doesn’t mean that there isn’t an infinite number of ways to arrive at the same data set.

If you shoot skeet for scores and consistency, you shoot it pre-mounted with a dedicated target gun with a pattern that’s optimized for breaking the targets 5 feet either side of the center stake.
If you shoot it for its original intention, you shoot Low gun, delayed pull, and work at breaking the target at all kinds of different places on the field.

They are not quite the same, but they can be close.

If you shoot 50 rounds of skeet with a light load under the original set of rules, your forest grouse shooting will improve exponentially.
There is just a lot of overlap in training the mind, eye, and body, to put the barrels where they need to go to break the thing in front of you. If you can make that happen in two seconds, your first shot kill percentage goes way up.

The Skeet field is a valuable tool for improving close range wing shooting.

Lloyd,

I am glad you are optimistic regarding your new gun and share your enthusiasm.

The subject of shot charges vs shot strings has fascinated me for many years. I have fired and examined literally thousands of patterns, counted a corresponding number of pellet holes and generally wasted years trying to optimize my results. I have also read all I can find on the subject.

The earliest mention of shot string I am aware of is from old Winchester advertising of the Super X ammo. Late 1920’s to early 1930’s. Prior to that I can find no mention. Oberfell and Thompson did extensive testing in the early 1960’s. (University of Oklahoma press) After that Ed Kotsky did some testing in the late 60’s or early 70’s, again for Winchester at NILO Farms. Then came Bob Brister who tested and published his comprehensive results in SHOTGUNNING, THE ART AND SCIENCE. (Winchester press)

I also went outside the box and had a physics professor examine all my data as well as published data mentioned above.

Long to short is that it’s the shot charge and to a much lesser extent velocity, not the bore diameter that provides killing patterns. On going away targets (which most grouse seem to be) shot string is completely irrelevant. On short to medium (under 30 yards) range it’s almost irrelevant on a fast 90 degree crossing bird. At 50 yards plus, on a fast crossing target it’s a small but present factor.

What does matter is ammo quality. Progressive powders, quality, cushioned shot cups and most of all hard, round shot pellets. In consideration of the above factors I maintain that a 20 gauge with a top end target load similar to Win AA or Remington’s quality target load will likely put a higher % of pellets into a given area than any 2” ammo loaded today.

I’m sure your gun is lovely and has many virtues. Hope you post photos. I don’t think out patterning a quality 20 gauge load is likely.

Just about any practice with a gun improves my use of same. If I was serious, I’d live somewhere I could shoot 25 crossers and 25 long straights every morning off my back porch.

I don’t, however.

Best,
Ted

I always say we look at them and carry them a lot more than we shoot them. So, do what pleases you.
I’ve not seen such, but I suspect if you put a spreader post inside of a 2 inch 12 gauge load you would probably come up with a load that would cover plenty of aiming error. In other words, a crutch for poor shooting.

But I wouldn’t want you shooting over my dogs.

Mr. Hale:

I'm impressed. You've taken this far further than I ever have. I own Brister's book but I'm guilty of only idly reading the various articles that have been printed over the years so....I defer to your data.

I am however counting on the human element here. The success or failure of any of my birdguns relies heavily on my enthusiasm for them it seems...

Lloyd,
I sure hope you enjoy the new gun and hope to see photos. 👍

Saw and handled the gun today and...I liked what I saw. Even with a slight cast-off it even seems to fit me quite nicely (which is unusual). The best part was the handling...it's magnificent! It seems to be everything I had hoped for it to be (those 28-inch tubes make a big difference for me on these 2-inch guns).

Now I get to wait for 3-more days to drive back down to Colorado Springs to finally take possession.

Colorado truly sucks now, and in almost every way.

The gun is over 50 years old isn't it Lloyd? The law does not require the 3 day wait if it was built before 1976. The 3 day wait rarely happens in my shop because almost everything on the books is a C&R.

Steve :

I've tried that argument before here (for a 120-year old Ithaca hammergun even) and folks just won't listen. The State has most everybody so buffaloed now that they meekly comply without a question and will brooke no arguments otherwise.

I get it...with the current political climate it's going to be hard for any gun business to survive here otherwise.

Princess Stevie wholeheartedly approves of these infringements upon the Gun Rights of law abiding citizens because he/she proudly supports and votes for the anti-gun Democrats who impose these laws. Here's the Princess using his/her Trump Derangement Syndrome earlier in this Thread as an excuse to exclusively support anti-gun Democrats:


Princess Stevie pretends to be upset by a fringe GOP candidate who claims to have killed his first man at age 7, and also claims to be an exorcist... However, Colorado has no statute of limitations for murder, so this nutcase could be prosecuted for confessing to the crime... if it was even true. But our Princess needed another excuse for voting Democrat, even though it has long been apparent he/she is a closet Democrat... and a gunsmith who supports anti-gunners!

Would you hire and send your hard-earned money to a gender-bender Liberal Left gunsmith who supports anti-gun Democrats? I'd sooner scrap my broken gun!

What is demonstrably true is this nice little story about an illegal alien who raped and murdered a 2 year old girl in Virginia. But Democrats like Princess Stevie would never think to hold Biden, Harris, Mayorkis, and all Democrats responsible for illegally bringing these criminals into our country, and using taxpayer money to provide them food, housing, health care, etc. Trump was right again... countries emptied out their prisons and mental hospitals to dump the worst of their societies on us. If only this was a single isolated incident... but it isn't...

https://www.12onyourside.com/2026/0...r-sexual-assault-2-year-old-girl-louisa/

Will hundreds of stories like this stop Princess Stevie from supporting anti-gun Democrats???... Not on your life. Look no further to see why your adopted state of Colorado has been taken over by anti-gun Libtards. Look at the fools who vote for them... and then re-elect them after they attack the 2nd Amendment.

Note how Princess Stevie says almost everything on the books in his/her shop is a C&R gun over 50 years old. But several years ago, the Princess admitted right here to standing by like a spineless sheep while ATF Agents illegally photographed those Bound FFL ledger books. Other FFL's have successfully fought that illegal practice, but our Liberal Left Princess actually made excuses for allowing it to happen. See the Princess telling us about it starting here in Post# 506486

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=506481&an=

Posting my opinions in this reply is the very least I could do for Closet Democrat Princess Stevie after his/her generous offer to send sand and rope. You're very welcome Princess Stevie!

Lloyd,

Who are you using in the Springs for the transfer?

Ken

Sorry. Not paying attention.
24 pages of 2" discussion
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=668399&page=1

Do you own any 2" guns Preacher... or just a large collection of pictures and old advertisements of them?

KDGJ: The Springs Armory. Way cheaper than my remaining options up here (& I have an associate that speaks highly of them).

Edit to add: Thanks Dr. Drew, I do remember that string fairly well (but this time I have a dog in the hunt so I read it a bit more closely). My...how time flies. The good news is that RST sent me a flat with every shot size I could ever hope to want (not cheap but...pretty nice!).

If the need ever arises where I would have to do some 2-inch reloading, I'm fairly confident that I could. I already have most of what I might need (primers, powders, shot, etc.) but I would have to learn how to do that rolled crimp.

FWIW: I'll have to be pretty enamored with this gun before I'd undertake all that (my 16 is already pretty convenient). If RST keeps loading them then I'll likely keep buying them. Hunting grouse for almost 2-months straight up north last year, I used maybe 3-4 boxes of 2 1/2-inch 16?

I do tend to hunt with several different firearms over that period (hammerguns, my 28, even pumps) so that's a factor as well.

Lloyd, I applaud your patience. It wasn’t long after I moved here a decade ago that I could see where all this was going. It wasn’t crazy like it is now but clearly crazy was coming. I got my C&R and haven’t looked back. I am out of state now and a couple of copies of it are in my brief case (just in case).

Earlier in the summer a Grade 3 Lewis called to me from the east coast. I pulled out a copy and stopped by the post office for a money order. The gun was on its way to my door in short order.

Think about it as you enjoy that new beauty.

Randy: Thankyou!

This has been coming for some time now. Sadly, it's not a complete surprise

If I thought I'd be doing any significant buying and selling I'd seriously consider a C&R. As it stands now, I'm arguably "all full up" and can't imagine needing anything else. I have also focused lately (last few years) on pre-1899 stuff to avoid all of this silliness...but I suppose every once in a while something might still come along (so all that extra patience will come in handy here now).

Princess Karen,
I refuse to engage in the back and forth debates with you that you so deeply crave.

Were you wanting me to get that very, very small package of sand and the short length of rope sent out to you? If you are still living in your mother's basement, I have your address, just let me know.

All my best,
Steve

Princess Stevie, it would appear that you jumped right into a back-and-forth earlier in this Thread, but you really want it to be one-sided because you are a Closet Democrat coward who is hiding behind your TDS. Interesting to see how some of your fellow Colorado residents are here lamenting what you Democrats have done to their state. But you will defend it as it swirls down the toilet bowl, and then find a way to blame the mess you all created on Trump and MAGA people.

And just think Princess Stevie... if you sent Dave $12.00 for each and every sale resulting from all of the Free Advertising of For-Profit Business Ventures you have done here, he could buy enough sand to have his own Beach, and enough rope to lasso the moon!

Excellent rant Karen.....I'm done with for now, but do let me know if you your care package and if your still living in your mother's basement. All my best princess.

Steve

You keep saying you're done, but that still looks like nothing but a lame excuse to run away from the simple question of whether you pay Dave for each and every successful sale resulting from your Free Tagline Advertising. Your reply also makes no sense, but I suppose you may have been hitting the Bong early today.

My Mom is deceased Princess Stevie... but you already know that.

However, since you wish to bring Mothers into it, why don't you tell us how your Mom feels knowing that you will never give her any grandchildren, due to you choosing a lifestyle that has thankfully removed you from the gene pool?