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But the question still begs, did Seifert József have his own scope mount(s) and file for patent protection? I will have to thumb thru the German patents to see. In fact Seifert József may have expired @ or just before the scope craze and his son or his mechanics may have devised a scope mount system?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

In fact, Seifert József and Charles Daly all but led parallel lives, but on different tectonic plates. The two are almost mirror images of one another.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The (Royal) Hungarian Patent Office was founded in 1896. https://sztnh.gov.hu/en/home/hipo-130

But a patent could as well have been applied for in Vienna or in Berlin. After 1919, Bratislava (as Preßburg / Pozsony was then called) belonged to the Czechoslowakian Republic,so Karl Seifert might as well have a patent filed there. His national competitors would have sat in Weipert / Vejprty, also directly situated on the (other) border.

Seeing Pozsony/Preßburg/Bratislava and Vejprty, are separated by say 460 km, and you note Vejprty(Prague generally) having National Competitors of Seifert József, did these two areas for the most part supply the needs of the Hunters of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, i.e., did the Austro Hungarian Empire mainly source wares from the West margin of the Empire¿


Lẹ̑p Pozdrȁv,

Raimey
rse

Apparently, Johann Springer's Erben biggest clients were of the House of Lubomirski, Polish szlachta(Nobility). Then the Russians arrived @ the end of WWII and confiscated all the Guns, & possibly more, and that's how so many Bohemian examples landed up in Russia; much like that of all the German Guns that landed up in the U.S. of A. Pozsony/Preßburg/Bratislava - Vienna was a collection point for cultures and about any else & it was there that Seifert József left his mark.....



Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Yes, Springer and Seifert they were both merchants, and had their suppliers and gunsmiths (and of course, also an in-house mechanic or two). Josef Seifert was ethnically German, but Hungarian was the official language in the then (post-1867) heavily magyarized Kingdom of Hungary, and was also considered posh, even in numerous German households.
Thanks to the posted advertizements, we can see that he pandered his goods both in German and in Hungarian. From what little I could discern from an Hungarian firearms blog, he or at least his firm (under his son Karl) was also one of the Colt distributors of Hungary, apart from e.g. Josef or Julius Kirner.

As to their pre-1918 customers, they were not equal in rank. Julius Springer was not a mere Hoflieferant (purveyor to the Court), of which there were thousands in Austria-Hungary. He was a KAMMERLIEFERANT, who comprised a very tiny number altogether, and as such he was in a way more aristocratic than many courtiers.
Josef Seifert on the other hand certainly did not count only commoners among his clientèle, but still a significant part of them belonged to the Western Hungarian aristocracy, until 1918. Under Czechoslovakian rule, many Hungarians moved out of the city and out of the country. So his son's business certainly did suffer.

What happened with the Seifert family ?

https://www.collegium-carolinum.de/...g-der-deutschen-aus-der-slowakei-1944/45

A scholarly, thorough review of the study can be found here:

https://www.sav.sk/journals/uploads/04271139Kov%C3%A1%C4%8D%20rec.pdf (sorry, the URL uses diacritical signs)

How was life in Bratislava for the minorities from 1919-1939? A Hungarian lawyer from Pozsony wrote his memoirs in 1939, the German translation of which appeared in 2017:

Zwanzig Jahre in Preßburg (1919-1939)
Marcell Jankovics (1874-1949), Preßburger Rechtsanwalt und Abgeordneter des Ungarischen Reichtags zur Zeit der Monarchie, erinnert sich in diesem erstmals in deutscher Übersetzung vorliegenden Buch an die "Preßburger Jahre" der Zwischenkriegszeit. Er schildert vor allem den Alltag aus der Sicht der nunmehrigen magyarischen Minderheit, die hier stellvertretend für die anderen Minderheiten - Slowaken, Deutsche, Juden - in der von Tschechen besetzten, nunmehr Bratislava genannte Stadt steht. Vorurteile, Pressezensur, Bespitzelung, Drangsalierung und Verhaftung anders Denkender, Missachtung geltenden Rechts und "Versuche geistiger Umerziehung" werden hier lebendig, die in der heutigen Welt an Aktualität nichts verloren haben.
Band 4. Zwanzig Jahre in Preßburg (1919-1939) von Marcell Jankovics.
Aus dem Ungarischen übertragen und mit Erläuterungen versehen von ANTON KLIPP unter Mitarbeit von SUSANNA KLIPP. Karlsruhe 2017. Das Buch hat 312 S., Kt. (Veröffentlichungen des Karpatendeutschen Kulturwerks; 4). ISBN 978-80-8175-029-8; Preis: 26,00 € (zzgl. Versandkosten).
https://karpatenblatt.sk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/20-Jahre-in-Pressburg-Inhaltsverzeichnis.jpg
(Out of print by now, but should not be difficult to find)

Interesting Photo Projektion Kino advert. I do think the Seifert Concern did have a novel idea on the scope mounts.

I can't put my finger on exactly what >>JSE<< might mean? Especially the >>E<<?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

"Spezialhaus" is just too iridescent and imprecise a word. It could mean a specialized walk-in-shop, or - and maybe rather - a specialized mail order business. The house Hernalser Hauptstraße No. 62 still exists in Vienna; its street situation is not where you would expect a shop with busy individual customer traffic.

The Bratislava firm at the time still was conducted under the old and respectable name "Josef Seifert", with the addition of Karl Seifert as owner. So, a connection is certainly not impossible. After all, Karl Seifert had already before 1918 dabbled in another field, namely in passementerie.
- Yes, a beautiful and today extinct word, look it up in Googgle. :-) -

He had shared stationery with Franz Kühmayer, factory of passementeries en gros in Pozsony/Pressburg. That was one of the big players in a field which frequently was still dominated by the old "Verlagswesen" with their many house workers who delivered their home-made goods to the so-called "Fabrikant". But Kühmayer had a big modern mechanical factory and many factory workers with regular working hours. Now, World War I, the Great War, was the opposite of colourful military uniforms with passementeries, and court uniforms were no longer in new demand either, in fact demand must have completely broken down. So, for some reason, Seifert and Kühmayer decided for some kind of joint venture and shared their envelopes. See here this very interesting philatelic thread:
https://www.altpostgeschichte.de/index.php?thread/2985-tschechoslowakei-ausland/

It seems quite possible to me that one or two decades later, under the impression of the world economic crisis, Karl Seifert might have tried to dabble in still another field, and to establish a mail order business in photographic apparatuses in Vienna, which after all was only 55 kms away. He had, as I mentioned, already before been a dealer in sporting goods and equipment, as well as in gentlemen's clothing (leisure as well as ballroom). Maybe he was able to acquire cheaply some stocks of photo stuff from a now bankrupt firm, and hoped to become able to pander it advantageously via mail order... a lot of speculation, as I admit.

>>SEIFERT JÓZSEF, POZSONY
Cégtulajdonos: SEIFERT KÁROLY.
Halászkapu-utca 4.
Katonai fegyverkezési és felszerelési cikkek. Férfi divat, vadászati, utazási és sportkülönlegességek.
Kühmayer Ferenc és Társa, részvénytársaságbany
egyenruházati cikkek gyárai felhatalmazott gyá<<


Yes, that is most interesting and one typically doesn't think about the transfer of Federal Services when a region changes ownership/dominion/Sovereign State.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse