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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Originally Posted by ed good
richard, basic geometry...

by moving the forend hand rearward...

you are increasing the angle of the barrels...

thus, making the gun shoot higher...

conversely, by moving the forend hand forward...

you are reducing the angle of the barrels...

thus, making the gun shot lower...

try it...

That is utter nonsense, and ignores the real reason that it can change POI.

What you are saying is that the hand position overrides the brain-to-muscle signals.

I could prove that to you on my 4' X 4' patterning plate, but you probably wouldn't acknowledge it if it hit you between the eyes.

Ok, someone had to say it and you did.👍

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I couldn’t help but noticed that in one of George Digweed‘s “club Digweed”shooting videos, he specifically addresses hand position on the forend and how it effects swing speed perceived lead, and of course shot placement.


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if I remember correctly Digweed advocates moving the hand back slightly to increase swing speed, not gun fit


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I always like to point my index finger to the target, too.

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jes try hit guys...

ifn hit works fur youse, den, great...

ifn knot, den put yo grubby paw back to ware hit wuz...

duh...


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watt ah winey buncha ole bitches, sum ov youse is...


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I’ve tried the leading hand position test by shooting multiple targets at various ranges and speeds. I’ve found that alternate positions from my standard leading hand position hasn’t proven to provide any significantly better target breaks or advantage in target acquisition. I do know that changing the leading hand position by more than a small amount feels awkward. I’m predominately a competitive shooter and I am comfortable with one leading hand position. I’ve shot low gun for at least the past 6-7 years to perfect my mount for FITASC events. I don’t want to change any hand position that could be detrimental to my mount.

I am 99.9% sure that moving the leading hand forward or back doesn’t change my POI.😁

I often wonder if some members on this board ever try to substantiate the theories that they present by real world testing.


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Yes, and yes.

There is no question for me that the most consistent way to shoot a side-by-side that I have not had the stock altered on, is to shoot with my left arm, fully extended, and the fore end, laying in the palm of my left hand wherever it ends up.

If you think about the position of it all, it’s the only way to be consistent with rental guns or borrowed guns or shooting a variety of guns that a person may acquire with different stocks and forends.

Because the one thing that is consistent is where your palm is when you extend your arm fully straight out.

And if you watch enough shooting videos, you’ll know that that is a particular style taught in French and British shooting schools for the shooting of partridges with a side-by-side.

I too have my FITASC gun stocked to perfect my mount in competitions. It has to be.

Shooting driven birds with a borrowed shotgun, much less so.


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Originally Posted by ClapperZapper
Yes, and yes.

There is no question for me that the most consistent way to shoot a side-by-side that I have not had the stock altered on, is to shoot with my left arm, fully extended, and the fore end, laying in the palm of my left hand wherever it ends up.

If you think about the position of it all, it’s the only way to be consistent with rental guns or borrowed guns or shooting a variety of guns that a person may acquire with different stocks and forends.

Because the one thing that is consistent is where your palm is when you extend your arm fully straight out.

CZ, did you actually ever try this?

It sounded a bit questionable to me, so I got up from the PC and grabbed an unaltered all original Syracuse Lefever 12 gauge that happened to be handy. This gun has an original Lefever splinter forend. I mounted the gun with my left arm fully extended.

My left palm ended up under the barrels, but completely forward of the forearm wood. The very tip of the forearm was above my wrist, close to where one would check their pulse.

What you advise might have worked if both of my arms were abnormally short... something like a Tyrannosaurus rex. But then I'd probably need a buttstock with about an 11 inch L.O.P. And the sleeves on all of my shirts and jackets would be much too long.

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I confess, I don’t know how anyone can shoot consistently with the leading hand very near to the breach end of the forearm and supported by a U shaped opening of the thumb and index finger.
Yet I see it often. I think it may have carried over from shooting .22’s
I suggested to a fellow he might want to take a more substantial purchase with his hand gripping the forearm.
He tried about 4 shots and returned to his original method. I believe his pinky was stuck out as well like having afternoon tea.🤔


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