Well that is good to hear!! I Googled him and others and never could actually get anything definite on him. I saw mention of Bob Rowley in relation to the Vintagers. I also ran across Jack Dudley and his wife living now apparently in Kittery Maine. No social media trails and no further mention of anything Vintager (original) found anywhere. The one thing I found that I did not know (if it is correct) said that Jack Dudley was a co-founder of the original Order of Edwardian Gunners. I was always under the impression that Ray was The Man, but I also never knew anything about them except from the pictures that Dave always posted after the big shoots. I saw Doug Turnbull and Dave Trevallion menitoned in several places. It is kinda sad to see that original group fade away. Oh well!! Hopefully there are some younger ones that will take the reins. And, of course, there are the scattered groups around that are still active. I would like to shoot at least once in one of these gatherings before I go away myself.


Perry M. Kissam
NRA Patriot Life Member