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Kinda neat Superposed with double triggers



Holy Cow!



I wonder of the first dozen how many survived.

Is it the double/single trigger version? I always thought those were neat.

Best,
Ted

#6 is currently for sale at CSMC, IIRC.

I've seen #10 on social media, somewhere.

I've owned two first year guns, both mid-four figures, both with Twin-Single Triggers and and the stepped Non-Crossfire vented rib. As Ted says, the Twin-Single triggers are very cool, and were a step towards figuring out the single Selective trigger that's all but standard on modern two-barrel guns.

I can't recall what the "P" in the serial number means...I'll try to find out.

Is this gun for sale somewhere?

Here's No. 6 - $13K even with the stock repair.

https://connecticutshotgun.co/browning-serial-no-6-o-u-12ga-32-barrels-choked-f-f-76271/

The "P" is French for Piege meaning trap. I believe some had a "C" meaning Chasse meaning for field or hunting.

Friend has a 101 that we think was made for the European market with double triggers like that. The are the double/single trigger version. The front trigger is very straight like the one pictured here, making it hard to reach. I have average size hands and it feels uncomfortable to me.

This is true for later models, and certainly the Fabrique Nationale marked guns, but I'm not sure about early ones.

Looking at the stock (not high, like my 1931 guns were) and lacking the the Non-Crossfire vent rib, I'm a little skeptical.

On later guns, the "C", "T", or "P" was usually way up under the head of the toplever, often hard to see...that doesn't mean the "P" on this one doesn't indicate trap, because if there's one thing that's certain: there are all sorts of Superposeds out there that don't follow "the rules."

Like many of their offerings, CSMC is very, very proud of this one.

I see at least a decade, if not two, of it sitting at that price. Not considering the low serial number, which, is a bit irrelevant compared to the guns many warts, I’d be happy to get $1-1.5K for it.

Bet I’m not alone, either.

Best,
Ted

A few years ago, I would have agreed with you.

...But I watched these three plain Jane, Grade I Superposeds all go for what will be more than $2K after buyer's premium and taxes on Saturday:



...and this is consistent with almost all the auctions for Superposeds I've been watching for the last couple months. I keep trying to "steal" one and it's not happening. These guns are going for more at auction than retail was not all that long ago. Make it any kind of grade above Grade I, make it a subgauge, and the prices are stupid.

...but I do agree that CSMC is hitting the hash pipe on this one...

Just my opinion, but, putting a bolt through the head of the stock brings value to a fraction, a small fraction, actually, of what it could be.

Friend recently bought a Superposed Lightning 12, 30” tubes, full and full for $800. I didn’t think too much about the price he paid in January, I will say it is a hell of a trap gun. An old guy was wandering around the Adrenaline center show with a LOM case, and my buddy was the only guy who asked what was in it.

Best,
Ted

I tend to agree.

One more thing about that listing that bugs me: no top view of the action and lever position.


If that gun is in good condition, it sure looks like he could, make a quick $1,000 on it.

...but as you say, it's a helluva trap gun, and then he'd have to replace it.

Bill has never sold a long gun that I am aware of.

Best,
Ted

Serial number 1 surfaced in Australia a few years back.

I'll keep my little 20 gauge. I'm happy with it. 👍

Some people are like that.

Caretakers for the next generation.

I have one of those too: '71 20 gauge Lightning.

Good morning Geoff. It's not my gun but a buddy's at the club. My understanding is this gun is European. It has issues but also potential.
Forend has a poorly repaired crack. It also needs a proper FN buttplate or recoil pad. LOP measures 14 1/4 from the front trigger to the end of the wood.
Two triggers, not twin trigger. Chokes */**
A well known dealer offered $1000 in its' current condition. I'm guessing $1500 to $2000 in its' present configuration to a collector whose boat is floated
by a historically significant low, low, low serial number and a willingness to put up with it or restore it.





I wouldn't buy a bucket of water from that bunch if I was on fire. JMHO.

FWIW, the markings on the left side of the barrel are consistent with all Browning Superposed guns I've seen from that era - it was sold as a Browning, not a Fabrique Nationale gun - which typically helps value for most buyers here in the US, even though the guns are identical mechanically and functionally. They were all made in the same place, at the same time, by the same people.

The gun certainly has potential - get that crack fixed and get rid of that nightmare of a trap gun gizmo on the end of the stock and it'll look great. The good news is that Browning butt plates from that era are easy to find.

How did he test for the difference between Twin-Single Triggers and double triggers? The easy way is to drop in snap caps and pull either trigger twice - it it fires twice, it's Twin-Single...but I would not be surprised for a gun this low in serial numbers to have double triggers.

I feel like you're in the ballpark with your price estimate with the gun in its current condition, though a serial number that low might drive it up a bit for the right buyer.

To test for twin single tiggers, pull one, give the buttstock a firm tap on the floor and pull the other trigger. I do not think the single trigger was unstalled on the very early guns, but I could be wrong. I have a superposed with high 3 digit serial numbers and it has double triggers. There was a long discussion of the "P" in the serial number on another forum. The conclusion was that no one knows!!

Just to complicate this discussion, I just bought this Fabrique Nationale Grade C1 Superposed.

The Fabrique Nationale C1 ≈ Pointer Grade on the Browning side of things.

1975, so it'll have the mechanical trigger instead of the inertia trigger...which I like.

...it went for less than any of the three basic Grade I Browning guns above.

Go figure.

There is no need to tap the buttstock on the Twin-Single to get the 2nd barrel to fire...at least neither of the two I had needed the tap.

Both of mine were mid 5-digit guns one in the low 1500s, the other the low 1600s.

Consensus on the "P" is that it does indeed mean Trap, with "C" meaning Field.