Geez! you guys must be a bunch of youngsters! We used "Punkin Balls"for deer in Pa. and upstate NY when I was growing up, in 12 and 20 bore doubles. I think rifled slugs were available but "Punkin Balls" were a lot cheaper. They were wildly inaccurate past about the muzzle, as I remember. I was shooting them out of a Parker , F/M chokes. I remember buying a box of 25, shooting them all and coming home meatless....