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Have you all seen holes in a breech face like this? I'm not sure what to make of them ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/k2sjNsk2/Screenshot-2026-04-14-164420.png)
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That may be an older method of deactivating a gun, I'm not sure, but that is what I think it is. I have seen deactivated guns(and repaired one) that were drilled through the chamber as a method of deactivation.
Last edited by SKB; 04/15/26 08:46 AM. Reason: clarity
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Converted pinfire.
There are lots of old guns that have that vertical breech weld.
One of the shotgun magazines did an article about the guns that were converted
When regular commercial prepared cartridge just came along, there were a great number of wonderful guns that received an upgrade.
At least that’s what I think it is.
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CZ may well have seen examples that I have not, but in all the images I have seen of pinfire breech faces I've never seen one with cuts in those positions. All I have ever seen have had a uniform vertical "cut" running from the top of the breech face straight down towards the center.
I've never seen one with cuts in those positions, and really cannot rationalize any reason why a pinfire would have "cuts* in that position.
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This is a hammerless gun, so seems unlikely to be a pinfire conversion.
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It must be some conversion as the cut @ the doll's head well goes all the way to the crossbar. Is there a better foto of the water-table to show a name & maybe an APUN which would give us a possible direction to mine data?
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I didn’t get pinfire conversion out of those pictures either. Not a great photo, but, the workmanship seems suspect. Does not appear that it ever had, or, could have had, hammers on the outside.
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It's a T Bland gun from The 1880s at auction at Holts. I'll upload a photo of the water tables as well.
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No idea, but the machining of those recesses, if you can call it machining, seems pretty crude and uneven compared to the rest of the frame. The one on the left side almost looks like something wedge shaped is protruding from it. But it could be the lighting. The top lever appears it may operate in similar fashion to the earlier pivot-lever Syracuse Lefevers.
It would be interesting to see a photo of the breech end of the barrels and the extractor to see what may mate up with that portion of the standing breech.
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