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Could this gun be an early 1892 perhaps? The bakelite forend decoration and the later butt-plate makes me think it's a later gun, even into 1893.

Also...


1901 & 1890 guns as examples of Fulton and Syracuse Elsie production.


1891 Quality 1 and 1890 Quality 2


The bolsters on the bottom of the action evolved rapidly away (too much hand fitting!). 1891 Quality 1 on top, 1890 Quality 2 on bottom.By 1893-4 they were all flat-bottomed.


1890 Quality 2 gun in 12 ( 1st year of production @ Fulton) w/escutcheon on forend


1886 Syracuse 10 gauge Quality 3? (not my gun btw) The Syracuse guns could be quite pretty.

Zero mass-production lends itself to that better perhaps...

The gun on the R in the first pic has Syracuse style ribs and rectangular barrel lug. Depending on the SN it could be a transition gun. I do not believe the Syracuse guns had the dog head FE insert.
Long thread regarding transition guns
https://members.boardhost.com/lcsmith/msg/1692625950.html

What is the proper term for them Dr. Drew, I've seen them referred to as frame "bolsters" and "ribs"?

This is what Hollowell says
https://www.hallowellco.com/reinforced_frame.htm

Researcher posted pics of Parkers with both side clips and bolsters here
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Board=1&main=47383&type=thread

Dr. Drew:

The features I'm referring to are on the bottom and sides of the main body of action. The one British gun I've owned with them (a back-action John Blanch) has even been referred to as having a "drooping bar".

The feature Hollowell is referencing here is re-inforcing (strengthening) the angle between the water table and the standing breech, not the bottom of the action.

The strengthening embellishment on the sides of the action are "bolsters"
This is the Ithaca Crass "Reinforced Frame"



I've never seen a L.C. Smith Maker, Syracuse ad or catalog naming the embellishment on the bottom of the action. Houchins called them "sculptured ribs" and "concave ribs".

Well...you have bolstered breeches and then bolstered frames IMHO.

Dr. Drew's Ithaca advert reminded me of this one.

A double-ribbed gun? No, it is a "double bolstered gun" with a double-thick breech...



A comparison of early Fulton butplates (and drop at heel)...



Gutta Percha and Bakelite.

A few more pics....hope they are helpful in some way. Some may be a repeat from the last posting

The small mark on each tube on the bottom just in front of the bbl flats is a Brit proof mark on each. Birmingham Proof Hs. Crown/BP (BP in script style letters)
That particular pic is trouble getting it on here. My ancient photo equip,,not anything to do with this site..














Everything works just fine on the gun. Nice and tight, excellent bores and chambers.
Shot a rd of Skeet with it Thursday with the assistance of JollyBill.

Chokes measure w/a caliper at the muzzles at .694 Left bbl and .714 Right Bbl.
I realize the actual bore dia comes into play for an exact reading of constriction, but the bore mic was not at hand like so many other things in the shop. So this is pretty close.

The BP I assume is an early Fulton plate (?). The screws are oval headed and sink deeply into the counter sinks cut into the plate.
The butt stock itself shows that another plate was on the gun at some time (Pic) Extr holes.
The plate on it fits perfectly and appears to have been there a very long time.

Should be a pleasant project fixing the stock damage and cleaning it up a bit. No primo restoration thoughts here. Just restore what is broken and a clean up.