[quote=zehyani]Why are we fighting in Iran?[/quote
I have no "inside" information, so the rest is based on decades of dabbling in military history & military technology.
The airstrikes are intended to:
wipe out any nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, weapons sites & production sites
destroy military & political command, control & communication sites and equipment
destroy any remaining surface to surface and surface to air missiles and production sites
kill senior political, military & Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps leadership to disrupt Iran and to help prevent the further murder of those rising against the current government.
effect regime change
degrade Hamas and Hezbollah And maybe bring a little peace to the Middle East
I have become addicted to English hammered shotguns to the detriment of my wallet.
You're right, Ted, I'm not in the active fighting, but generally dislike war. Besides my taxes go to pay for everything. I agree their government is disgusting, but do not see it as our problem.
You're right, Ted, I'm not in the active fighting, but generally dislike war. Besides my taxes go to pay for everything. I agree their government is disgusting, but do not see it as our problem.
We know, not guess, we KNOW that Iran's regime was working towards attacking the United States with a nuclear weapon once they got it functional. Would you have had us wait until that happened and then respond? Not me.
You're right, Ted, I'm not in the active fighting, but generally dislike war. Besides my taxes go to pay for everything. I agree their government is disgusting, but do not see it as our problem.
We know, not guess, we KNOW that Iran's regime was working towards attacking the United States with a nuclear weapon once they got it functional. Would you have had us wait until that happened and then respond? Not me.
Stan, a surprising number of people can’t put two and two together.
Neville Chamberlain comes to mind.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
Iran has done terrorism through proxies for so long that they got quite good at it. My expectation was that they would more than likely see the bomb delivered to an organization that would happily put it on a leaky boat and run it up the Hudson River, detonating it near the Statue of Liberty.
I’m guessing when this is all over, we will find out how much damage was done to the Iranian nuclear program.
Iran has done terrorism through proxies for so long that they got quite good at it....
My first thought was if this was more a strike against those who fund agenda proxies and facilitate iranian petroleum sales. It's amazing that a few short years ago, brandon went hat in hand to maduro and these mullarutgers for oil, after he slashed domestic production and drained the strategic reserve.
To install pro-Western government whos members will enact and execute policies favorable to our corporations and national interests or if that's not possible turn it into another Libya or Afghanistan.
Godspeed to the three service members who died in yesterday's action and may the others who were injured recover quickly. Thank you all, especially those that paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country.
Hopefully this does not turn in to decades of nation building such as Iraq and Afghanistan.
Remarkable that 20,000 to 40,000 Iranians were slaughtered by their own government in the last month and the Democrats here and elsewhere still find fault. That they said nothing about the carnage taking place. Remarkable that 47 years of terrorism by proxy is well evidenced yet suspicion as to culpability still exists.
Remarkable that this predictable anti Trump commentary is done by those who so enthusiastically accuse the other side of partisanship. Have you not seen the countless street celabrations of of freed Iranians and freed Venezuelans? Does you anti Trump cynicism really run that deep that your own eyes won't accept what you can see plainly.
The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
I’m sure we will find evidence of those weapons of mass destruction.
Makes perfect sense CZ, moral of the story, don't look like a nail. Or, for some US regimes, don't send the message that the world is a shower, and the game is, who can bow.
Lots of governments were created via a revolution.
Or are you forgetting?
Who are you to decide which ones are legitimate or not?
The government is legitimate when their representatives are recognized for the purposes of negotiation.
What goes on on the other side of the fence is the other guy’s problem.
We are throwing our weight around, because we can. And we’ll go along, thinking that we are immune to penalty, right up until somebody kicks us in the balls.
And we'll go along, thinking that we are immune to penalty, right up until somebody kicks us in the balls.
The "penalty" was what Iran would have done had we done nothing. Now, they've got nothing left to kick with.
So typical of the left and how they react. Had we done nothing until after a strike on America, Trump would have been blamed. Now, there will be no strike by Iran, and they still blame Trump. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Y'all should get a little bigger playbook. You're entirely too predictable.
So, CZ, I guess you supported the actions, concerning Iran, of former Democratic administrations? Let's do a quick review.
Hillary Clinton supplied Iran with uranium to enrich their nuclear program. Obama gave Iran $1.7 billion that they used to ramp up their nuclear program. Biden freed up over $16 billion in funds for Iran.
So, the elephant in the room question for you is this: do you deny the threat of nuclear strike that the USA was facing before this military action? And, do you support the actions of Clinton, Obama and Biden in this regard?
Stan, you are projecting. Remember, I’ve been reading the postings of the members here across multiple platforms for 30 years. I understand who the Hawks are and who are the doves. And who are the pragmatists.
I’ve been consistently consistent. I don’t believe it is the role of the United States to go bombing/de-stabilizing/invading sovereign nations for gossamer thin reasons. It always seems to be people that actually are full of hot air, and pose no real threat.
So sling all the mud you can gather because it won’t change my opinion of this.
Nah, it’s just another guy in the white house that wanted to play with the toys. Now that he’s had a taste, it will be tough to stop.....
.....We really shouldn’t be in the business of decapitating legitimate foreign governments....
Agreed, the US should be in the business of being legitimate. Remember what brandon did, looked like he was spun around paying pin the tail on the donkey, whenever meeting foreign leaders.
Can't even remember when appeasement policies started, just kidding, there's no stopping a lefty. Look at hill, pronoun was gunning for the top office with a massive campaign war chest, based in a foreign country. Shim was stopped, reduced to ducking questions from reporters about bill's pimp.
When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
I’m sure we will find evidence of those weapons of mass destruction.
"Kicking" the bucket down the road led to WWII, in part because of the European countries were unable and unwilling to stop Hitler.
Allowing the Iranians nuclear weapons would have been a disaster.
Did you come out against your precious Democrats when they bombed and ordered missile strikes against hostile countries*. Or is your Trump derangement syndrome that serious?
*Rhetorical question I wouldn't believe your answer. The hypocrisy of the Democratic Party has been very apparent lately.
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I have become addicted to English hammered shotguns to the detriment of my wallet.
Stan, you are projecting. Remember, I’ve been reading the postings of the members here across multiple platforms for 30 years. I understand who the Hawks are and who are the doves. And who are the pragmatists.
I’ve been consistently consistent. I don’t believe it is the role of the United States to....
....So sling all the mud you can gather because it won’t change my opinion of this.
Well, from a pragmatist to a dove. It's okay to have your own opinion, per the words of a lefty, you'll be dead in a few years anyway, reduced to being a paranoid bully, playing with toys. Or, some such as that.
Neville Chamberlain is treated a little unfairly in popular history (although the manner of his trying to stay in office in 1940 does him no credit).
He did start to re-arm in 1936.
In 1938, at Munich, when he avoided going to war he would have known:-
1) Most of Fighter Command was equipped with biplanes, all slower than the new Dornier, Junkers and Heinkel monoplane bombers 2) The few operational squadrons of Hurricanes had a problem, their guns froze up at altitude and could not fire. 3) No Spitfires were yet operational.
Things at Fighter Command were somewhat improved in 1939 when he did go to war in response to the invasion of Poland.
If the war had started in 1938, and the Battle of Britain fought in the summer of 1939 I might have grown up speaking German,
Ditto on a Cuban "conquest" as Trump's next confrontation.... should be a relatively easy task for a Country with our capabilities.....The residents would quickly come to see the benefits of a friendly USA ..... Better yet , I might be able to Shoot Pigeons in a tropical destination where many of my older "idols" competed.....
I won't come on here and offer political opinions, everyone is entitled to his/her own, but I am confident in our Nation's ability to recognize a THREAT to our safety here and abroad. Our family watches this event unfolding with COMPLETE and TOTAL support for our servicemen and women carrying out orders and executing their duties as trained.
Our family also watches this unfold differently than some, my beloved's oldest is a Wing commander of a USAF Fighter Group. His mother watches with subdued apprehension, but complete confidence that he will carry out his orders and return to his family. She has the same concern for him now as she did when she dropped him off at the Air Force Academy to begin his chosen career, many years ago. He proudly , and deservedly, wears Silver Eagles on his flight suit and helmet showing his comrades and the ENIMIES of this country that he a Colonel in the Greatest Fighting FORCE in the World today. May GOD be with our Military Forces Fighting to make sure future generations enjoy the safety, security, and prosperity that we have been blessed with.
Traveling the world was better when people in other countries viewed the United States as a valuable ally, rather than a dangerous hegemon…
Whose next?
If I had to guess…
I wouldn’t mind a guiltless vacation in Havana before I leave this mortal coil.
______________________________ Stan, were you by chance kicked in the head by a mule at any time in your life?
It’ll take them until long after we are all dead to clean up that hell hole.
Best, Ted
___________________________________________________________ I never worry about feelings of guilt on a vacation, but, I draw the line on the stench of garbage. Ask me about NY City during the garbage strike.
Ditto on a Cuban "conquest" as Trump's next confrontation.... should be a relatively easy task for a Country with our capabilities.....The residents would quickly come to see the benefits of a friendly USA ..... Better yet , I might be able to Shoot Pigeons in a tropical destination where many of my older "idols" competed.....
I won't come on here and offer political opinions, everyone is entitled to his/her own, but I am confident in our Nation's ability to recognize a THREAT to our safety here and abroad. Our family watches this event unfolding with COMPLETE and TOTAL support for our servicemen and women carrying out orders and executing their duties as trained.
Our family also watches this unfold differently than some, my beloved's oldest is a Wing commander of a USAF Fighter Group. His mother watches with subdued apprehension, but complete confidence that he will carry out his orders and return to his family. She has the same concern for him now as she did when she dropped him off at the Air Force Academy to begin his chosen career, many years ago. He proudly , and deservedly, wears Silver Eagles on his flight suit and helmet showing his comrades and the ENIMIES of this country that he a Colonel in the Greatest Fighting FORCE in the World today. May GOD be with our Military Forces Fighting to make sure future generations enjoy the safety, security, and prosperity that we have been blessed with.
Prayers go out that the Lord watches over him, and all our servicemen and service women. He has my gratitude.
Because Iran has been fighting with us for 47 years, ever since radical Shia Islamists saw weakness in Democrat Jimmy Carter.
They took 54 American hostages and held them for 444 days, right up until Reagan was being Inaugurated. Ever since, it's been much of the same thing, with Iran engaging in direct and indirect attacks on the U.S. and Israel, often using and funding terrorist proxies. They have been quite open about their contempt, and a Jihad that included Death to America.
Unfortunately, for 47 years, we have acted in a teeter-totter fashion as our own country elected Democrats, then Republicans, then Democrats, then Republicans. For the most part, the Republicans engaged in tougher responses to Iran's attacks and responded with limited strikes and tough economic sanctions to try to destabilize the Islamic regime. Then the Democrats would show them weakness by easing sanctions when we had them on the ropes. They negotiated toothless nuclear deals that did next to nothing to ensure Iran was not enriching weapons grade uranium to produce a bomb, even as they were threatening to nuke Israel.
Democrat Bill Clinton significantly eased sanctions in 2000. Barack Obama is the primary U.S. president to significantly ease sanctions on Iran, doing so through the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which unfroze approximately $100 billion in assets and removed oil export sanctions.
Then Donald Trump ended the foolish JPCOA in 2018, only to have the weak and feckless Biden capitulate again, by turning a blind eye to a uranium enrichment program that Iran buried and hid several hundred feet underground, and also allowing them to freely sell oil on the world market.
So Iran essentially knew that all they needed to do was wait out the tough times when Republicans were in, and go back to cheating, exporting terrorism, and becoming stronger when Democrats were in. This sad sick teeter-totter ride always left Iran strong enough to fund global anti-U.S. terrorism, the rise of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., and mass killings of American soldiers as in the Khobar Towers and U.S.S. Cole attacks.
Donald Trump is finally engaging in an action to end this insane and costly 47 year cycle. Democrat Kamala Harris has already voiced her extreme opposition to this, so we can be sure Iran would still be on the path to a nuclear bomb had she been elected. Elections do matter.
Voting for anti-gun Democrats is dumber than giving treats to a dog that shits on a Persian Rug
And of course, we have the usual Liberal Left Democrats here also opposing Trump, and everything he does.
Notice them whining about past failures when we engaged in attempts at Regime Change. And notice that they never tell you the truth about why past efforts at Regime change went so badly.
The majority of Democrats in Congress pretended to be in favor of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but then they worked to undermine Bush and the military. They couldn't stand the idea of Bush having a victory.
It was Democrat Barack Hussein Obama who ignored the advice from his military and rushed to pull all U.S. Troops out of Iraq, leaving a huge power vacuum to be filled by anti-U.S. Islamic terrorists.
And it was Democrat Joe Biden and his puppeteers who rushed the departure from Afghanistan, again against the advice of the Military, and leaving not only a power vacuum for the Taliban to fill, but also billions of dollars of U.S. weapons and equipment to be used against us. He even abandoned Baghram Air Base, which had huge strategic importance
Given half a chance, Democrats would screw this Iran action up too. Had Trump involved them in planning, it's almost certain some Democrats would have tipped off Iran's leaders, allowing them to escape and to hide weapons.
Biden and the Democrats even weakened the U.S. by draining our Strategic Oil Reserve, in order to artificially lower the fuel prices they increased, and help Democrats win in the mid-term election. They tried turning our Military into a Woke Joke of Transgenders and perverts that no adversary could take seriously.
Also notice that these same TDS Democrat supporters of anti-gun Democrats never had any problem with Biden's weakness enticing Putin to invade the Ukraine, or with Biden spending hundreds of billions of dollars to fund a Ukraine-Russia war that was going very badly.
And don't forget that several of these whiners frequently complain that political Threads drive folks away from this forum, yet here they are engaging in their usual Trump bashing and political commentary. They hate Trump, and they are no friend to those who cherish Gun Rights. The biggest phonies and hypocrites on the Internet!
Prayers for our Servicemen, and prayers for President Trump to have the strength and wisdom to finish this, and end another war.
Voting for anti-gun Democrats is dumber than giving treats to a dog that shits on a Persian Rug
Right or wrong, what's done is done. Buy some stock in any US Company supporting the armed forces today. Markets are dropping like a stone. Good time to buy.
PS. Fill up you gas tanks this morning The price of oil will go thru the roof this week Oil shipped through the Persian Golf will be non existent and that 20 percent of the world's supply. Doesn't take too many cheap Iranian drones to cover the choke point exiting the Gulf.
Ditto on a Cuban "conquest" as Trump's next confrontation.... should be a relatively easy task for a Country with our capabilities.....The residents would quickly come to see the benefits of a friendly USA ..... Better yet , I might be able to Shoot Pigeons in a tropical destination where many of my older "idols" competed.....
I won't come on here and offer political opinions, everyone is entitled to his/her own, but I am confident in our Nation's ability to recognize a THREAT to our safety here and abroad. Our family watches this event unfolding with COMPLETE and TOTAL support for our servicemen and women carrying out orders and executing their duties as trained.
Our family also watches this unfold differently than some, my beloved's oldest is a Wing commander of a USAF Fighter Group. His mother watches with subdued apprehension, but complete confidence that he will carry out his orders and return to his family. She has the same concern for him now as she did when she dropped him off at the Air Force Academy to begin his chosen career, many years ago. He proudly , and deservedly, wears Silver Eagles on his flight suit and helmet showing his comrades and the ENIMIES of this country that he a Colonel in the Greatest Fighting FORCE in the World today. May GOD be with our Military Forces Fighting to make sure future generations enjoy the safety, security, and prosperity that we have been blessed with.
Prayers go out that the Lord watches over him, and all our servicemen and service women. He has my gratitude.
Don’t forget that the CIA toppled the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953, a guy named Mossadehg(sp?)because he had elected to nationalize the Iranian oil fields.
I wouldn’t want to leave out relevant history.
Oh, and the 1979 revolution against the Shah was internally generated.
He was widely hated as a fascist butcher. I can still remember the chanting.
I’m not yelling either, I’m just telling the warmongers that they’re full of crap. There are a lot of Americans who think that it is not the role of the United States to go around toppling governments.
I’m not yelling either, I’m just telling the warmongers that they’re full of crap. There are a lot of Americans who think that it is not the role of the United States to go around toppling governments.
I wasn't replying to you. I know that's a leap for you to understand, but try. I was replying to Geoff, and he apparently understood that, even though we don't agree.
And of course, we have the usual Liberal Left Democrats here also opposing Trump, and everything he does.
Notice them whining about past failures when we engaged in attempts at Regime Change. And notice that they never tell you the truth about why past efforts at Regime change went so badly.
The majority of Democrats in Congress pretended to be in favor of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but then they worked to undermine Bush and the military. They couldn't stand the idea of Bush having a victory.
It was Democrat Barack Hussein Obama who ignored the advice from his military and rushed to pull all U.S. Troops out of Iraq, leaving a huge power vacuum to be filled by anti-U.S. Islamic terrorists.
And it was Democrat Joe Biden and his puppeteers who rushed the departure from Afghanistan, again against the advice of the Military, and leaving not only a power vacuum for the Taliban to fill, but also billions of dollars of U.S. weapons and equipment to be used against us. He even abandoned Baghram Air Base, which had huge strategic importance
Given half a chance, Democrats would screw this Iran action up too. Had Trump involved them in planning, it's almost certain some Democrats would have tipped off Iran's leaders, allowing them to escape and to hide weapons.
Biden and the Democrats even weakened the U.S. by draining our Strategic Oil Reserve, in order to artificially lower the fuel prices they increased, and help Democrats win in the mid-term election. They tried turning our Military into a Woke Joke of Transgenders and perverts that no adversary could take seriously.
Also notice that these same TDS Democrat supporters of anti-gun Democrats never had any problem with Biden's weakness enticing Putin to invade the Ukraine, or with Biden spending hundreds of billions of dollars to fund a Ukraine-Russia war that was going very badly.
And don't forget that several of these whiners frequently complain that political Threads drive folks away from this forum, yet here they are engaging in their usual Trump bashing and political commentary. They hate Trump, and they are no friend to those who cherish Gun Rights. The biggest phonies and hypocrites on the Internet!
Prayers for our Servicemen, and prayers for President Trump to have the strength and wisdom to finish this, and end another war.
Oh Keith, please, don't try to confuse them with the facts when their mind is made up.
I well remember when Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini returned to Persia. He and his descendants have been screaming death to America ever since...and probably before. I also remember a local "man on the street" interview where the fella said, "nuke 'em, take the oil" and another said, "can you say parking lot"? There was a lot of Iranians at the little local university and they got a permit to protest. They tried to block the entrance to the county court house and one of the major intersections downtown. I was on the police dept. at the time and our captain in charge had us open the sidewalk so folks could get to the court house and move them out of the intersection. It was a hot summer day and a couple protestors bought some galvanized garbage cans and filled them with water and brought them to the protest. The health dept. showed up and told them they couldn't drink out of garbage cans and made them pour it out. The way the permit was issued read that if one left the protest they couldn't return. A few hours in that hot summer sun and the protest had pretty well petered out. Generally they tried to make a nuisance of themselves but in that smallish town, at that time, we didn't put up with any nonsense or silliness. None of them were arrested or taken to jail but they knew better than to start something they knew we would finish. They've been spitting in our face for 47 years and frankly, I'm tired of it. Evidently now we have a leader who is equally tired of it and the military to take care of it. Back then we couldn't fly two helicopters across the desert.
When I was in the Air Force we had a couple of the Iranian best we were supposed to train to work on aircraft. I hope the two yo-yo's in our flight got to work on Iranian aircraft because neither of them learned a darn thing. That was in Arizona and all they did was sit in the air conditioned flight shack. They didn't do spit and they didn't learn anything either.
I know there's a lot of good Iranians but I sure never experienced any.
I’m not yelling either, I’m just telling the warmongers that they’re full of crap. There are a lot of Americans who think that it is not the role of the United States to go around toppling governments.
I wasn't replying to you. I know that's a leap for you to understand, but try. I was replying to Geoff, and he apparently understood that, even though we don't agree.
To be fair, I think he was replying to me also.
It's not only OK to disagree, it's one of the underlying strengths of our country.
...but we gotta be smart enough to not waste time arguing with people whose minds we'll never change.
Far better to go have a reasonable conversation with with someone who hasn't made up their mind yet.
....Why would you imagine those things are different?
Exactly.
The difference is in how the conversations are held.
The Gomers here who can't disagree without name calling, insults and invective are children throwing tantrums and are unworthy of respect, consideration or time.
They're doing what they're doing to get themselves off in some bizarre form of self abuse...why feed it?
....The difference is in how the conversations are held.
The Gomers here who can't disagree without name calling, insults and invective are children throwing tantrums and are unworthy of respect, consideration or time.
They're doing what they're doing to get themselves off in some bizarre form of self abuse...why feed it?
From one gomer to another, pass up all the comments that are beneath you, and just read your comments. Make a list, such as name calling, consideration, childish tantrums, and debate with yourself to decide if you are worthy of respect. Challenging as it may be, hop off the pedastal, and approach it as though you aren't always right, and somehow above the fray.
....The difference is in how the conversations are held.
The Gomers here who can't disagree without name calling, insults and invective are children throwing tantrums and are unworthy of respect, consideration or time.
They're doing what they're doing to get themselves off in some bizarre form of self abuse...why feed it?
From one gomer to another, pass up all the comments that are beneath you, and just read your comments. Make a list, such as name calling, consideration, childish tantrums, and debate with yourself to decide if you are worthy of respect. Challenging as it may be, hop off the pedastal, and approach it as though you aren't always right, and somehow above the fray.
Nope.
I'll never stop pointing out the poor behavior. Too much good comes from it.
....The difference is in how the conversations are held.
The Gomers here who can't disagree without name calling, insults and invective are children throwing tantrums and are unworthy of respect, consideration or time.
They're doing what they're doing to get themselves off in some bizarre form of self abuse...why feed it?
From one gomer to another, pass up all the comments that are beneath you, and just read your comments. Make a list, such as name calling, consideration, childish tantrums, and debate with yourself to decide if you are worthy of respect. Challenging as it may be, hop off the pedastal, and approach it as though you aren't always right, and somehow above the fray.
Nope.
I'll never stop pointing out the poor behavior. Too much good comes from it.
The primary benefit being to prop up your ego, and bolster your delusions of being the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong here. A pompous self-appointed hall monitor who's going to police behavior by calling names and acting childish.
....The difference is in how the conversations are held.
The Gomers here who can't disagree without name calling, insults and invective are children throwing tantrums and are unworthy of respect, consideration or time.
They're doing what they're doing to get themselves off in some bizarre form of self abuse...why feed it?
From one gomer to another, pass up all the comments that are beneath you, and just read your comments. Make a list, such as name calling, consideration, childish tantrums, and debate with yourself to decide if you are worthy of respect. Challenging as it may be, hop off the pedastal, and approach it as though you aren't always right, and somehow above the fray.
Nope.
I'll never stop pointing out the poor behavior. Too much good comes from it.
The primary benefit being to prop up your ego, and bolster your delusions of being the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong here. A pompous self-appointed hall monitor who's going to police behavior by calling names and acting childish.
Tim
Not even a little bit right.
A gentle hint: avoid mind reading and trying to guess the motivations of others. It never works out.
A gentle hint: avoid mind reading and trying to guess the motivations of others. It never works out.[/quote]
Probably more right than you care to admit, but you no doubt you disagree with that, so we will just have to disagree, quietly.
A gentle response: I am not trying, nor would I even attempt, to read your mind. However, I am capable of reading your posts, and some things are coming through loud and clear. If self-awareness was one of your strong points, you might see that, but I suppose you're too busy being right.
PS, congratulations on spinning this thread away from its original topic, and making it about you. You are quite the forum policeman. Combining arrogance with the need to control others never works out.
My apologies Lloyd, if you like, PM me and I will delete them. And more prayers for the servicemen who have died, and their families. As Americans, we need to keep them in our thoughts and prayers.
ClapperZapper seems to think that the present radical fundamentalist Iranian regime has just been peacefully coexisting with the U.S., Israel, and other Arab countries in the middle east. He also apparently doesn't think they are an extremely repressive dictatorship that replaced a monarchy with violent control of the majority of Iranians.
All over the world, we now see Iranian expatriates cheering and waving U.S. flags. Reportedly, the majority of the Iranian people within Iran feel the same way... except for the tens or hundreds of thousands that have been tortured or killed by the current regime. Iranian women are excited at the prospect of being free to work, drive, and not wear burka and face coverings.
It begs credulity to think that so many Iranian people are somehow looking forward to return to some terrible pre-1979 Fascist government. And nobody in their right mind should think Iran would even be on Donald Trump's radar if they had not spent the last 47 years funding and engaging in terrorism, pursuit of nuclear weapons, and a determination to destroy both Israel and the U.S.
Nearly five decades of attacks on U.S. servicemen, civilians, and Israelis, and CZ wants us to just wait until a nuclear bomb is detonated over Tel Aviv or some U.S. city.
Silly Democrats like CZ actually think they can appease people like the radical Shia Muslim Iranians by giving them access to hundreds of billions of dollars while they simultaneously enrich uranium in deeply buried hidden programs, and start each school day by teaching their children to chant "Death to America- Death to Israel".
Gomer Geoff is just mad because he inadvertently went too far and outed himself as another closet Democrat gun owner who wants everyone to believe that you can actually support the 2nd Amendment by electing anti-gun Democrats. So now we have another Gladys Kravitz busy-body attempting to shut down any discussion that is unflattering to Democrats. But we shouldn't expect rational thought from these guys who think you can be a staunch 2A supporter by electing anti-gunners.
Voting for anti-gun Democrats is dumber than giving treats to a dog that shits on a Persian Rug
We can only hope now this war somehow achieves its stated purpose. We also have a long history of such undertakings turning out differently than hoped for. Our president has only one approach to every issue: get a bigger hammer. Don't let him work on your Purdey.
Probably more right than you care to admit, but you no doubt you disagree with that, so we will just have to disagree, quietly.
Nope, not even a little bit right. You may even have reached "Not even wrong" status, which you probably haven't heard of, so I'll provide a link: Not even wrong
Originally Posted by Tim in PA
A gentle response: I am not trying, nor would I even attempt, to read your mind. However, I am capable of reading your posts, and some things are coming through loud and clear. If self-awareness was one of your strong points, you might see that, but I suppose you're too busy being right.
In order:
Obviously untrue. Obviously not. Sad and funny attempt to insult...and a failure. I'm frequently wrong, but this isn't a matter of right/wrong, it's a matter of standing up to, and calling out poor behavior.
Originally Posted by Tim in PA
PS, congratulations on spinning this thread away from its original topic, and making it about you.
Not about me a tall.
Originally Posted by Tim in PA
You are quite the forum policeman.
LOL. Again, not at all.
Originally Posted by Tim in PA
Combining arrogance with the need to control others never works out.
Good thing I'm not doing that, eh?
Originally Posted by Tim in PA
My apologies Lloyd, if you like, PM me and I will delete them. And more prayers for the servicemen who have died, and their families. As Americans, we need to keep them in our thoughts and prayers.
Tim
More of that; less defending childish, disruptive behavior is a good start.
Gomer-in-Chief Keith is exactly what's wrong with this board, and why it doesn't grow to help Dave out.
He adds little to interesting discussion of guns and shooting, and his sad third grade level continuous attempts to taunt and provoke people into angry responses are just a sad thing for an an adult male to engage in.
He always vomits a great big pile of words - typing with one hand - that few bother to read, because they already know it's going to be vitriol and hate...and he keeps getting away with it because no one stands up to him.
The more people that let it be known that his childish behavior isn't acceptable, the better.
Gomer-in-Chief Keith is exactly what's wrong with this board, and why it doesn't grow to help Dave out.
He adds little to interesting discussion of guns and shooting, and his sad third grade level continuous attempts to taunt and provoke people into angry responses are just a sad thing for an an adult male to engage in.
He always vomits a great big pile of words - typing with one hand - that few bother to read, because they already know it's going to be vitriol and hate...and he keeps getting away with it because no one stands up to him.
The more people that let it be known that his childish behavior isn't acceptable, the better.
Keith has forgotten more about American double guns, particularly Lefever and LC Smith guns, than you will ever know. It’s too bad you haven’t noticed that fact, likely, because you haven’t bothered to read his posts.
The board has grown and continues to grow. I posted photos for a gent who just put up his first post. That being said, the whole double gun thing is not exactly a growth industry at the moment, and that includes interest in them. There were many guys who signed on the latest version of the board (you would have been simply mortified at what went on in the first version, when guys could comment anonymously) who were RETIRED in 2002, and here, 24 years later it is a better than good chance they are simply no longer here. I know at least one guy who was murdered, one who is developing dementia as we type, and another who is bedridden, and finds that being here just reminds him of what he is missing, and hasn’t been here in years. I don’t recall a posting looking for a cheerleader or manors coordinator, and, like it or not, because much has been discussed pertaining to double guns here, the subject matter does wander from time to time. Rather than shutting wandering topics down instantly, the owner does indulge us a bit, and perhaps locks or flushes them later. My hat is off to him for that. Contrary to how miss manors would run the place, disagreements are vented. Just like real life. I’m sure you have a notion on how the board should be run, and what the tone should be. Count me in the sub group who doesn’t give a rats ass, because it is enjoyable just the way it is.
There is more than one brand of childish behavior here. Deal with it. The guy who owns the place can decide what is acceptable.
Gomer-in-Chief Keith is exactly what's wrong with this board, and why it doesn't grow to help Dave out.
He adds little to interesting discussion of guns and shooting, and his sad third grade level continuous attempts to taunt and provoke people into angry responses are just a sad thing for an an adult male to engage in.
He always vomits a great big pile of words - typing with one hand - that few bother to read, because they already know it's going to be vitriol and hate...and he keeps getting away with it because no one stands up to him.
The more people that let it be known that his childish behavior isn't acceptable, the better.
You know, Goober, I wasn't going to respond to any more of your drivel, but this post really needs a response.
1) You are aware the Dave reads everything Keith writes, and green lights it before it is publicly posted? I know it's hard, but try to focus those 37 deteriorating cells for a moment and ponder the implications of that.
2) This thread is eight pages long, you have made 13 posts, and you've contributed absolutely nothing. You haven't even come close to brushing against the topic. Not a single word in support of our troops . Just trolling people, expounding on your delusional superiority, and now this childish little tantrum.
....Our president has only one approach to every issue: get a bigger hammer. Don't let him work on your Purdey.
It's odd bill, while you're thinking, get a bigger pronoun, your dems wade around in wars without a clue. Your President and his fine sons, probably have more to do with best guns than any in likely a century.
2) This thread is eight pages long, you have made 13 posts, and you've contributed absolutely nothing. You haven't even come close to brushing against the topic. Not a single word in support of our troops . Just trolling people, expounding on your delusional superiority, and now this childish little tantrum.
Tim
Which is precisely why he now resides in ignoresylvania. That was the only 13 posts I know I have read by Geoffy boy and it is exactly 12 too many.
Gomer-in-Chief Keith is exactly what's wrong with this board, and why it doesn't grow to help Dave out.
He adds little to interesting discussion of guns and shooting, and his sad third grade level continuous attempts to taunt and provoke people into angry responses are just a sad thing for an an adult male to engage in.
He always vomits a great big pile of words - typing with one hand - that few bother to read, because they already know it's going to be vitriol and hate...and he keeps getting away with it because no one stands up to him.
The more people that let it be known that his childish behavior isn't acceptable, the better.
You know, Goober, I wasn't going to respond to any more of your drivel, but this post really needs a response.
1) You are aware the Dave reads everything Keith writes, and green lights it before it is publicly posted? I know it's hard, but try to focus those 37 deteriorating cells for a moment and ponder the implications of that.
2) This thread is eight pages long, you have made 13 posts, and you've contributed absolutely nothing. You haven't even come close to brushing against the topic. Not a single word in support of our troops . Just trolling people, expounding on your delusional superiority, and now this childish little tantrum.
Tim
How would I know...or why would I care, that Dave has Keith on a short leash?
Its amusing that you went and counted my posts...can I get any more space in your head, rent free?
I haven't "expounded on" anything, much less my superiority. I'm reasonably sure i haven't said anything about myself at all.
No tantrums either, but your foot stomping rants are certainly qualified for that description.
2) This thread is eight pages long, you have made 13 posts, and you've contributed absolutely nothing. You haven't even come close to brushing against the topic. Not a single word in support of our troops . Just trolling people, expounding on your delusional superiority, and now this childish little tantrum.
Tim
Which is precisely why he now resides in ignoresylvania. That was the only 13 posts I know I have read by Geoffy boy and it is exactly 12 too many.
....Our president has only one approach to every issue: get a bigger hammer. Don't let him work on your Purdey.
It's odd bill, while you're thinking, get a bigger pronoun, your dems wade around in wars without a clue. Your President and his fine sons, probably have more to do with best guns than any in likely a century.
Maybe JR and Erik, but senior, your President, is a felon and cannot touch a firearm. Just the facts Sunshine.
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