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Birmingham nitro proofs...
odd that stamps are not on barrel flats...
and to be safe, measure barrel walls in front of chambers...
if less than .090, seek professional advise...
is there a makers name stamped on top rib?
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Does that say "vd wenachie, wa" on the lower rib (Vintage Doubles)?
1 1/8 Oz Nitro Proof, can't make out the Crossed Halbards to determine the date it went thru Birmingham proof.
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ACF, Greensboro, ?? Was the importer.
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odd that stamps are not on barrel flats... That's what struck me as odd. is there a makers name stamped on top rib? Cole & Son. Portmouth. Proprietor T. P. Trevor.
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Does that say "vd wenachie, wa" on the lower rib (Vintage Doubles)? ACF Greensboro, VA 1 1/8 Oz Nitro Proof, can't make out the Crossed Halbards to determine the date it went thru Birmingham proof. I don't even see crossed halbards...
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ACF, Greensboro, ?? Was the importer. Yes.
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Quite a few WR guns are marked on the barrels and not the flats. The gun is marked for 1 1/8 oz so it should be 2 1/2” chambers.
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Quite a few WR guns are marked on the barrels and not the flats. The gun is marked for 1 1/8 oz so it should be 2 1/2” chambers.
Ken That was my thought...
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what the chambers were is unimportant...
what they are now and is the gun safe to shoot with field loads, that is the question...
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what the chambers were is unimportant...
what they are now and is the gun safe to shoot with field loads, that is the question... Wrong again moron, both are important, not that after all these years you are capable of determining what is safe or what the original proof of the gun was.
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what the chambers were is unimportant...
what they are now and is the gun safe to shoot with field loads, that is the question... I agree...and I'm tipping towards the listing being wrong. If the chambers had been re-done legitimately in England, it would have been reproofed. The gun is a recent import, so it's unlikely they were extended to 2 3/4" here.
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Out there doing it best I can.
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Something like that. I passed bidding on the gun, so I'll never know.
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ok skb, tell us why what the chambers were is important...
keep it simple and keep it safe...
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an geoff, just because gun is recent import does not mean the chambers were not lengthened more recently...
key question...what are barrel wall thicknesses in front of chambers?
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You might feed a gun that was originally 2&1/2" differently than you would one that was originally chambered for longer cartridges and designed to digest heavier loads Ed.
Life is more complex than 90/30.....not that you understand the implication of those numbers, you just like to repeat them because you think it makes you look smart. You are anything but smart.
You are a shyster of the highest order and clueless about vintage guns Ed.
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skb, lots of sizzle...no meat...
you may want to rethink your response here ...
or, is it just another personal attack...
wid out substance...
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...and another topic shot to shit by children who can't control themselves...
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an geoff, just because gun is recent import does not mean the chambers were not lengthened more recently...
key question in guessing what are safe shooting specs for this gun......what are barrel wall thicknesses in front of chambers?
an note, chamber length is not stamped on barrel, which means two things...
a. barrels were proofed before 1925...
b. we do not know for sure what were chamber lengths at time of proof...
what the chambers were is unimportant...
what they are now and is the gun safe to shoot with field loads, that is the question...
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12C inside the device and 1&1/8" oz proofs, it was a 2&1/2" gun originally. If it was a 2&3/4" gun it would be marked 12LC inside the diamond or 1&1/4oz proof, possibly both.
Ed is always good for a laugh.
It most definitely matters what your gun was originally designed to shoot and how it was proofed. Those of us that have bought, sold and collected vintage British guns know that....and then there is Ed.
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I’m going with measuring error.
I’m thinking that somebody imported a gun, and measured the chamber length with a crude drop in device or 6 inch ruler, rather than getting out a Hosford‘s.
Usually, the simplest explanation is.
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1896 Rules ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Proof-Marks/i-FDPKS96/0/KskVrkvWft6hWSp79NQCHdFJ86Mm7b9bX4ZbLZjWq/M/1896%20Rules%20Long%20Chamber-M.png) 1904 Revision, and as said 1 1/8 oz. would be for 2 1/2" chambers ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Proof-Marks/i-h3LDzLx/0/Kws9T557cwCQkp6VFbsGjsQ3S2Rdr6D7JZCz93QXT/L/1904%20Revisions%20in%20The%20Gun%20and%20Its%20Development%201907-L.png) After 1925 the chamber length was marked After 1954 in both inches and mm and simply 12 in the diamond without the C or LC
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I had not recalled correctly that the LC was only for chamber over 3" long.
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1896 Rules 1904 Revision, and as said 1 1/8 oz. would be for 2 1/2" chambers After 1925 the chamber length was marked After 1954 in both inches and mm and simply 12 in the diamond without the C or LC Thanks Drew.
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well, once again, to beat the dead horse...
all this data, insults, innuendos and pontifications, with lots of words, but little substance, aka smoke and mirrors....
still begs the question...
what commercially available load, if any would be potentially safe for this or any other gun...
key to making a guess as to where to start, one must know barrel wall thicknesses in front of chambers...
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because?
because you say...
well, cause dats watt doc drew taught us years ago...
de peak o de pressure curve is directly in front o de chamba...
everything else is down hill from der...
doc drew, pls be so kind as to post your now famous pressure curve charts here...
it would be so lovely to view them once again, whilst enjoyin ah cuppa wid ah bis cuit or two...
ah bis cuit or two...ah bis quit or two...
makes the world go round...
la la la....
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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what commercially available load, if any would be potentially safe for this or any other gun... To repeat: We'll never know. I didn't buy the gun.
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