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Maybe -- but the Boss OU is an entirely different beast.
I always figured that Robertson saw the Lancaster OUs, saw the buzz they were creating, and figured he could do better.
This is what Google's AI OVERVIES says:
Disputed Origins (German vs. London): While branded as high-quality London guns, some evidence and testimonies suggested that the rough, unpolished actions (the "in-the-white" metal parts) for the Lancaster O/U boxlock ejector guns were imported from Germany, rather than being forged in London.
That's in line with what I thought.
Found this:
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=363788#:~:text=Yeah%20%2D%20but%20if%20they%20were,trade%20surrounding%20the%20guns's%20origins.
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>>The maker’s records confirm that this rare gun, serial no. 013586, was sold in 1913 to a Horace E. Cook Esq. According to Geoffrey & Susan Boothroyd in their book “The British Over-And-Under Shotgun” (Chapter 16), H.A.A. Thorn, the then owner of Charles Lancaster, took out a patent (No. 12,057 of May 14, 1910) for "providing double-barreled guns, of the kind having superposed barrels, with ejector mechanism". Expanding on the fact that the patent is for ejectors only, a letter published in "The Field" magazine on June 30, 1910 is mentioned that confirms the guns were purchased ‘in the white’ from Germany and were finished and fitted with ejectors by Lancaster in London. .....<<
Seems Rock Island is the source of the German Origin¿¿¿
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>>I'm pretty sure that Geofery Boothroid started the "German action" myth regarding Lancaster O/U's. There are some similarities with the "typical" German action because of the basic needs of the O/U system. Although Lancaster O/U's are quite rare, I've seen a few, both boxlocks and sidelocks. There is no reason for Lancaster to start with a "bought in" action for their top of the line gun when they had some very good gunmakers working for them. I've seen 12, and 20 ga. actions, and all are undoubtedly "one off". I believe their total production of all types and gauges of O/U's is fewer than 30.<<
>>I agree Mal,
What makes these Lancaster look Belgian or German is the crosspin location below the barrels. That design makes the action look tall and not so elegant (IMHO).
Moreover, the barrel lump protruding through the action to push the Purdey bolt back is not helping either.
Trunion mounted pivot points make such equipped guns much more attractive (to me). A close second would be the Cordy floating 1/2 pin system.
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Unequivocally, I will have to hold w/ what the Galloping Bovine gives....
If, if I were to select a German firm to mine such a possibility, I would 1st look towards Greifelt....
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