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Has anyone here handles one, shot one or bought one?
I would like some honest fact based insight on this shotgun?

Fit, finish.
handling?
Balance?
quality vs dollars?
trigger pulls?

are the internals the same as the Inverness or is this a completely different design? If so what is it based on?

Don't get caught hook, line and sinker.....

I preordered an Inverness when they first offered it. I went with exhibition wood. It fit me and I shoot it gangbusters right out of the box. I think it is extremely attractive but then I am a wood guy. I would buy it again. As far as longevity, I mostly shoot SxS's so it does not really have that many rounds shot. I have not seen the plainer version in person. I have been very happy with CSMC with several purchases and their after market care has been outstanding. Maybe I have been lucky with them but they have been very responsive with the few problems I have experienced.

Milt,
We don’t hear that very often. Glad your experience was good.

Best,
Ted

I was recently able to get a look at the re-introduced Ruger Red Label, which is being produced by CSMC on I believe, this same platform (Revelation).

It wasn't my cup of tea. Just a production level O/U. The wood was rather plain, and the gun overall was nothing special. For the money you could probably find a higher-grade Beretta Silver Pigeon or Browning.

I wouldn’t buy a bucket of water from Con Shotgun if I was on fire.

I have never bought a gun from them, but I have bought parts and supplies from them to do minor repairs. Which I always found to be excellent. I have an order in right now from them which I am waiting on. So it should be here soon.

I, or should I say my lovely wife, owns an over the top Inverness. It is a wonderful handling gun, but I have to admit that I haven't shot it much. It has all the outer characteristics of a David McKay Brown. It is slim, light, and beautiful. It was a gift from Tony to my wife for what she considered a minor favor. It was way more than we expected. I am a straight grip bird gun kind of guy, but the Woodward grip on the Inverness has almost converted me. I would like to have a Revelation, but only at an introductory price, whose ship has sailed.

I have shot several Revelations and found them quite adequate. Metal to metal fit, as well as wood to metal, was excellent. No over runs on checkering. Balance very slightly forward of the joint. Trigger pulls seemed slightly heavy, but I didn’t measure them. Choke tubes were concentric. At a 3K price there are really good competitive guns that may offer greater affordability. I have not handled the new Ruger Red Label lll yet so can’t speak of it, but I’ve seen prices of $2600 for it online. I hope this helps.

I've handled more then a few of them. Last year at the Southern they had some 28 gauge with 30" barrels with straight stocks and they looked and felt great. Their case colors are outstanding and the one's I looked at had the upgraded wood and they were fantastic. Some had American Walnut and some had English. I don't recall the price, but they felt lively and swung well. They are a tad proud of the frame, but the checkering was fine. Bottom line is they passed the eyeball test to me. I think the upgraded walnut was about $500 and well worth it at least to me..

I shoot with a guy that has one he bought it when it first came out but we shoot every week. I’m not gonna say he’s the best shot at our club but pretty close. I don’t think he’s ever cleaned it. He doesn’t keep it in a case, and he’s the cheapest man on earth and it’s the most expensive item he probably ever bought and he loves the thing he would know by the way he treats it but we figure he has about 3000 shells to it right now and he shoots real junk. He thinks it’s the best gun ever made. He looks like a fine gun to me when it’s category. It’s a 30 inch 20 gauge pistol grip

I just wish Tony would make some long 28 and .410 barrels for these things. I see a couple of 26" .410 Revelations on his list, but no Inverness smallbores or long barrels.

When my ship comes in I'm gonna get CSMC to build me a Christian Hunter S X S .410 with 30" barrels.

I have a catalog from CSMC. He has so many beautiful guns it is hard to keep track of them all. He doesn't have prices on the guns in the catalog. I bet they are so expensive. I would almost be afraid to get my sweaty little mits on one. But they sure are elegant. I wish I would have taken the time to go to his store when I was up there a few years ago. I can imagine what that would be like. Maybe the next time I go up there. 👍

Having work there a number of years ago, you have no idea the amount of guns that go through there that they make and that they buy and sell and the best engraver in the world engraving their guns k c hunt Phil Coggan, Brown brother Fracassi Pedretti Torcoli things you couldn’t even imagine the American guns the great English guns from the height of gunmaking he has a client list like you have no idea and the guns that they make for themselves and other people would be very surprised to see. It’s definitely worth a trip. I understand now they’re really metering the amount of people that come in and out of there.the best thing to do is to talk to the owner Tony at the show and have him have you come in? It’s really fascinating not to mention the enormity of it. It’s overwhelming.

For folks who want to hold a Revelation head for the Southern SXS event in Sanford NC in April. CSMC will have a very large display and you can handle everything. Just remember cash is king.

I used to talk to Tony years ago when he came to the National Gun Day Gun Show in Louisville, Kentucky. But I guess he doesn't come anymore. That was when he was first starting the Winchester project. I was buying 21s like crazy back then. Hopefully I will get up there again sometime. The place sounds fascinating. I loved that area of the country when I went up there. Good luck.

I have two guns from them. A 21 and RBl. My experience from sales to service was great.

I would place a higher value on the opinions of people who own thier products and have first hand experience with service.

I don't have one of their guns, mostly interested in antique and vintage British and other European shotguns. I have been there (CCMC is about 20 minutes from me) to buy a shotgun case and was treated well.

I have a friend who went there to buy a gun and he felt he was treated poorly enough that he went elsewhere and bought a different brand.

There are shooters who swear by CCMC and there are shooters who swear at CCMC.

I have never been to Connecticut at all, much less CSMC, but the face that I associate with the company is Lou Frutuoso. I have visited with him on numerous occasions when he was representing the company at gun exhibitions. I've bought products through him, discussed their shotguns and enjoyed a cigar with him. He is an amazing guy, IMO. His memory is unmatched in anyone I have ever met.

Lou founded and started Standard Manufacturing, which has introduced a broad, innovative line of self defense revolvers and shotguns.

I went up to Connecticut a couple years ago and that part of the country is beautiful. I have always been a Winchester fan and I got to see the old plant. Some of it has been renovated into what is now called the Winchester Lofts which are apartments. You can GOOGLE them and see that part of the old building is still used for living spaces. And part of the old plant has been renovated into office space. Last summer, what was the last of the plant was torn down. I read that it couldn't be saved because it was so deteriorated, so the old Winchester plant is gone. You might have seen the pictures I took and posted a few years ago on here. I got to speak to one of the past employees of Winchester and the Winchester plant seemed very similar to the history and happenings of the plant I worked for from what I understand. I guess Tony Galazan bought a lot of the equipment from the old plant when it closed down. He has done very well with his business.

I have bought two cutom CSMC M-21's and a 16 ga. RBL and have always been treated fairly. Most recently they did repairs to my Turlish SxS and I was most satisfied.! I hold CSMC in high regard!