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I happen to like the 2". Within their limits they clean and efficient killers. Mine is bored IC and MOD and it can really reach out.

ive heard many say lump shoe barrel blocks are weak. has anyone ever seen one fail?
i know the m21 block is the strongest made, in comparison.

By fail, do you mean like this? Sure:



Strongest made? Not according to this guy:

https://vicknairgunsmithing.blogspot.com/2016/01/an-unbiased-look-at-design-of-american.html

Best,
Ted

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Bobski, you say "all English guns are proved for 1 1/8 ounce loads". Not true. The Westley you are looking at is most likely proved for 1 1/4 ounce loads, as are Purdey pigeon guns and a whole raft of other UK waterfowl and pigeon guns. I have seen Purdey wildfowl guns proved for 1 1/2 ounces. On another subject, I will assure you and other posters that the Westley in question would fit me just fine.

There are a few 2” chamber English guns running around that were proofed for 1 1/8 loads, same as the 2 1/2” chamber guns. That doesn’t seem to qualify as flimsy.

Best,
Ted

i was not saying (all) english guns.
i was saying some are 1 1/8oz and i cant understand why it would be proofed so low..

And there is at least one really beautiful S&W out there that was rechambered to 2.75" And then reproofed at some ridiculous load that I do not recall. Which only goes to show how even English proofs can be a bit (choose your own adjective).

2&1/2", 1&1/8oz is standard proof for a British 12 bore game gun.

taken from the ad...........


12g steel, 32" Special Steel, shoe-lump barrels and original 2-3/4" chambers and ventilated rib and Doll's Head extension.
Unique to this model were refinements made to the action that was "specially constructed for the most rapid firing" as the firm described it in the catalog from the early 1930's.
Such features were a wider breech opening for loading and extraction, non-automatic safety, and a larger action body that was made to withstand high volume shooting of heavy loads.
This model also had a special stock shape, engraving, and barrel and rib configurations.
This gun has a square back and a raised side-panel bolster on either side of the action body, and fitted with Westley's unmistakable snap lever and Model "C" doll's head rib extension.
One of the main features of the "Special Double Barrel Trap Gun" was it being fitted with Westley's single-selective, "Patent One Trigger".

all these features and all they used were shoe lump bbls? makes no sense.

heres the other im looking at..........

Westley Richards 12GA hand detachable lock (droplock)shotgun
30" ejector barrels with matted rib
2 3/4" chambers
1 1/8oz nitro proof
Chokes: .024/.039 Mod/Full
Bores: .732/.734 proofed at .729/.729
Minimum wall thickness R: 0.028 L: 0.029