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Who said the economy is slowing down?

John
Arrieta

The Drumpf decreed it, madly destructive as usual, and so it happens. Enjoy your tariffs, and duly suffer in consequence.

My wife is from Germany and we deal and do business in the country regularly. You guys have nothing to brag about.

Nice looking gun. Kind of surprised to see that kind of money for an "exhibition grade" American gun that is not tied to some prominent historical figure.

Well, the VAST MAJORITY of people who cannot afford to drop $160k on a used shotgun, for starters.

Kinda hilarious from a country that invited in roving gangs of undocumented immigrants targeting young women. Talk about consequences.

Maybe stick to double guns. Your country is part of the problem. The US under Trump may be part of the solution.

It took two bidders to get it there.

Well, here's another fool suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

This Trump hating genius, who likely would never say a word about the 25% or greater price inflation created by Bidenomics, hasn't noticed that Morphy Auctions is a U.S. based business. So there will be no tariffs on this purchase.

Yesterday, I filled up my truck with gas at $2.04.9 per gallon, and several area gas stations are even cheaper. Huge savings like that will go a long way, and more than offset any small increases that result from Trump's tariffs.

Then we also have the Nutty Professor proclaiming the idea that since the VAST MAJORITY of people cannot afford to spend $160k on a used gun, that must indicate the economy is slowing down. It seems Gov. Tim Walz' mental retardation is the new pandemic infecting Democrats.

But it takes rational thought to comprehend that... unless one is a foreigner who has prospered from decades of the U.S. consumer getting ripped off. THIS is what I voted for

Those 21s are out of this world.

CB, For a smart guy, your affection for Trump who pardons drug king pins is hard to grasp. As for inviting roving bands who target women, you just sound irresponsible. Maybe stick to double guns.

This. 👍

How do your kind become so stupid? Move to Canada, Bill. You really do belong there under Trudeau's socialist utopia instead of suffering the horrors of President Trump Making America Great Again. Go for it, dude. Please.
JR

This topic is a a collection of remarkable moronic posts.

Congrats folks - you sure know how to ruin what could have been an interesting topic.

If it were my choice, I'd whack all the stupid stuff and trim it back down to the actual topic at hand...

You know, you can do that without saying anything to anybody, right?

Just ‘saying.

Best,
Ted

Only by ignoring a user. Usually a bad idea; you never know when one of them might have something interesting or useful to say later.

You can ignore them just by doing it. Ignore them in your head.

If you think something is moronic, move on. You should have been here in the beginning, when you could post anything without it being credited to anybody. This board is by far the most freewheeling of the gun boards, and, the most informative with the greatest depth of knowledge. It has always been so. I don’t believe that is an accident, either.

If it really chaps your ass, you could start your own board and run it any way you like.

Do it. I’ll be there. A few morons will be, too.

Best,
Ted

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Ever read any of Lonny’s posts that happen after the bar closes?

I've been here, off and on since January of 2002.


Depth of knowledge has always been good...on many subjects, not all, and the periodic blow ups get old...thus the "off and on."


It doesn't chap my ass, it's just worth pointing out to the supposed adults acting like children that they're...acting like children.

Anyone who thinks they're going to change anything by yelling past each other about things like politics is...let's call it naive, and leave it there.

As far as starting other boards, been there, done that, as well as several FB groups.

2002 was not the beginning.

Anyone who thinks they are going to change the people who are yelling about politics is a bit naive as well. They do that. But, if you ignore it you can likely find some really useful information pertaining to double guns.

It is what it is.

No offense intended, really, but, there isn’t another board or faceshit group that will ever compare to what is here.



Best,
Ted

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Facebook? YGBSM! Maybe Lonny hangs there, I suppose he has to sober up somewhere?

True. I may have been here before that...but I can "prove" back to 2002 and the current version of the board.



Of course they won't change, but it's still worth poking them now and then.


This is a decent place for info on SxS guns, which is why I stopped back in. Other places do much better on other guns.

...and don't worry about offending me. That's nearly impossible. There's maybe a half dozen people in the world who matter to me enough to accomplish that, and none of them are "some guy on the internet."

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Funny thing about Facebook: It is what you make of it. I got much, much better answers there about the three Superposeds I asked about recently than I got here...and more than just a little better.

And yet, you complained just two hours ago. You reap what you sow.

Did any of the facebookers say anything about how frequently Browning Superposed guns pop ribs?

‘Cause, they do.

Best,
Ted

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Something like that can convince people not to have answers to questions on a hobby board.

Complained? No.

Made a statement.

Indeed, a remarkable, moronic statement.

And you achieved your purpose. A successful troll job.

It's been discussed.


Even better,
Geoff

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I've currently got 5 Superposeds that are, collectively, 274 years old. No a popped ribs

You're gonna have to do better than that to provoke the reaction you want. Better trolls than you have tried, and failed.

Going out on a limb, but, guessing while you will find guys here who have or had a Superposed, most of them have five SXS guns.

Ask Facebook about a Super Charlin, a Golcher, a Peugeot, a KFC, or a Tobin. Then get back to us.

Best,
Ted

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It’s weird, I know, but, O/Us are like motorcycles and hockey here, just a bit of information.

Seems to be the case, these days. I seem to recall a broader knowledge base. Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly.


Why would I do that?


Even Better,
Geoff
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Seems to be case. Good for the pile of SxS I have now for RGS events, not so much for other things.

The broad knowledge base is subject to things like growing old and dying. Der Klunkermeister could have told you everything you wanted to know about your Brownings. But, he is dead.

But, that information would have come at a price. Right after he answered your Browning questions, he would have told you they were pieces of shit. Then, without being prompted, he would have told you a model 21 Winchester was a piece of shit, too. Then Don Moody (he’s also dead ) would have seen that and given a bunch of reasons why a 21 isn’t a piece of shit, why a Superposed wasn’t either, and it would go back and forth for half a dozen pages, and if you could ignore them insulting each other, you’d have a pretty good idea of what to watch for on the Superposed you were looking at, and, a whole bunch of information on Winchester 21s that you didn’t need.

Because, everybody already knows that they really are pieces of shit.

If you ask Facebook about those doubles you’ll get another good example of where information isn’t.

Best,
Ted

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You know, I won a new Franchi O/U at a RGS banquet a few decades ago. While waiting for the FFL to finish with the bloke who won a gun before me, I handed it back to the dude who pulled my name out of a hat. I told him try to find three stooges to cough up $100 for a 33% chance of winning a new gun. He thought I was being magnanimous, and had $300 for that chance in no time.

Truthfully, I really just thought while handling it, that it was a piece of shit.

I’m pretty sure I didn’t say stooges. But, I thought it.

Right. That's the crap that gets old, fast and isn't worth wading through when then others sources that have the same facts without the ego contests.



Wrong



Wrong again


Big deal. I've done that, and so have a lot of others.

Franchi makes a nice-ish gun, but it's no Superposed.

Reading Der Klunkermeister and Don Moody posting about guns was an education. It was also comedic gold. They were friends, actually. It was one of the things that made this place what it is. You want grok, go for it.

What went right over your head, I think, is that giving guns away at a banquet might seem like a good idea, but, it really isn’t. The Franchi that somebody donated had some sort of aluminum receiver that didn’t turn my head, to say the least. It was somebody’s idea of a nice gun, but, not mine. It didn’t fit, I was left handed, etc, etc, etc, and, I wouldn’t have bought it, ever.

So why the hell would I want to win it?

Back then, you got a raffle ticket or two with the admission, and you could buy more. If I could have given the ticket back to the guys who were running the show, I would have, and they could have added it to the ones that were for available for purchase. I never understood why the organization felt giving guns away, selling three raffle tickets for $5, was more effective than selling a regular membership, to someone who actually cared about the organization for $35. I worked the booth at Gamefair for 25 years arguing that, and, near the end, we got rid of the raffle tickets and the giveaway guns. The only “Big deal” was the fact that hanging around here helped me to understand that finding a gun that fit me was way more work and effort than winning something at a banquet that 90% of the time wasn’t going to work out.

The model 21 dig was a bit of a joke, but, tempered by the reality of my life experience. If you like ‘em, good for you, but, when talking about popped ribs, that is a gun that will be in the discussion. This guy has a bit to say about it, also:

https://vicknairgunsmithing.blogspot.com/2016/01/an-unbiased-look-at-design-of-american.html

Don’t own one. Will never own one. Don’t want to win one. I did thoroughly enjoy reading the old guys trash on them and then see what the guys who liked them responded with. Helped me come to where I am on that subject.

Which, was the point of why I was here.

Best,
Ted

What went right over your head, I think, is that giving guns away at a banquet might seem like a good idea, and it is.

I've been running banquets for a long time, and guns draw attendees, and attendees spend money.

The biggest banquets in this area have an almost stupid number of guns. Can't explain it, don't need to, just need to understand it and accept it.

Most of them are guns I don't want to own and would either re-donate, sell, or exchange for a store card (that's the system we have set up with Scheels).

I've managed a 137% increase in banquet attendance in the last 4 years, with a similar improvement in net, so you'll forgive me if I don't accept your premise.

Ted and I take different views on politics, but I truly appreciate his posting the link to Dewey Vicknair's blog. Anyone here who hasn't tried it is in for a treat. Vicknair writes as well as he smiths. Those two skills aren't often found in one person. Thanks, Ted.

This illustrates exactly why I wish there was a reverse IGNORE USER function. Then I could block and avoid sharing anything with grown men who are so hypersensitive about seeing any posts that they find offensive.

When you can't rationally challenge a fact or opinion, censorship is the easy way out. If it was my choice, I'd do everything I could to expose the cowardly gun owners who continue to support the Democrat politicians who never stop attacking our 2nd Amendment Rights. They are not an asset... they are not on our side.They are the unchecked malignancy that permits the slow steady attrition that has cost millions of gun owners in other countries the loss of their rights. They are like the termites slowly destroying a wood frame house.

And typically, the most offensive topics that get these guys panties all knotted up are those that show anti-gun Democrats in an unflattering light. If people like Carcano, the Nutty Professor, and rocky mtn bill went unchallenged with their usual Trump Derangement Syndrome blather, these closet Democrats would never complain.

So now it's time for the usual whiners to contact Dave... stamp your feet.... cry that the forum is being ruined... and then demand that he should lock the Thread. That how it has played out here for years.

My premise. It is not a good way to own a fitted, useful gun in an action style you or I prefer.

Best,
Ted

I never said, suggested, or implied that it was.

Bill, are you unaware of the things that are actually going on in countries like Germany, Sweden and the UK, whose foolish left leaning leadership invited millions of culturally incompatible young males (with minuscule numbers of women, children and older people) into their countries over the last 15-20 years, changing the utter nature of the place? Paris and numerous cities in Sweden having zones where the police won't even go? Birmingham is now a majority Muslim city?

Bill, it's not that that hard to grasp. It's not so much affection for Trump as it is distaste for the corrupt, gutless pandering of the democratic Liberal/Left parties of the First World, in your country and mine as well as Europe and Oceania, that use people's idiotic infatuation for the policies that resulted in governments killing over 120 million of their own citizens in the last 100 years while making life a living hell for those left alive. Unless one happens to be a member of the ruling elite. It's disgust for the willful destruction of the cultures that created the modern, successful democratic world.....the place the unwashed hoards will do anything to get to.

For some shocking reason so many of you fail to see this. It's a mystery to me when it is as plain as the noise on your face.

Trump calls a spade a spade. I'm not thrilled with every single thing he does. I never am with any politician. But I sure like his shit disturbing attitude. Your country needed a serious shaking up. Spend a little time listening to real Democrats like Bill Mahar or John Fetterman and see what sensible Liberalism looks like, rather that the corrupt, hate filled extremism of the current dominant far left culture of the current Democrat Party.

I don't divide my life between those who agree with me politically and those who I disagree with. So I talk politics and policy every single day with those from the other side. And every single day I am confronted by those who are either brainwashed by the absolute lies put out by the MSM or who are such low information thinkers that they just haven't a clue. People like you dismiss people like me by suggesting we worship or idolize Trump. That MAGA are the uneducated deplorable. You define intelligence by university degree. It's shockingly inaccurate and horribly elitist. The very things you profess to abhor.

Oh, and to keep things on topic, $140K for an Ithaca is simply insane.

Please John, we have too many already.

This specifically is what makes this site so great. It is the back and forth debates about the relative merits that really reveal the whole truth about any gun (or subject) that comes up.

That'd be fine.

The ranting back and forth about politics that never has, and never will, change a single mind makes this site a no-go for a lot of people.

Particularly when the politics erupts on a post that has nothing at all to do with the original subject, like on this topic.

I love it. All of it, with the exception of the bedwetters that have a problem with a post about this or that and cry all over their keyboards.

Years ago, one of my favorite bars had the waitresses jump up on the tables and do a choreographed dance twice a night. They wore short skirts and cowboy boots, which, was going to leave a few of them on the sidelines. One night, a dude at the bar asked the owner to stop having the girls do that. Owner told him he should buy the place, and he could do whatever he wanted, but, right now, he should get the F out.

My sentiments exactly, at the bar, and, here.

Best,
Ted

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‘Course, if Lonny sobers up we will have to hear about the hockey game, Honda Cubs, and Adak, but, it is a small price to pay for this board.

Good things there's none of those here.

You know what I enjoy? The bewdwetters and crybabies who can't take criticism about their behavior. It's so easy to yank their chains and send them off on what will often be multi-day attempts to justify their ridiculous, childish behavior.

Excuse me. But everybody DOESN'T already know that 21s are pieces of "s--t." And I used to speak with Russ Ruppel almost daily on here and I don't ever remember him calling a Winchester Model 21 "a piece of s--t." You'd have to show me where he ever said that. He might have said that they were overbuilt or he didn't like them, but I don't remember him calling them that as much as you say. Pete Hyatt would get on me and call the 21s, "boat anchors" back then. And we would always argue about Model 21s. But Russ? I don't think so. I believe you have the wrong people and the wrong guns. It came to mind when I looked back at Russ's last post called Russ Ruppel update. On page 3 at the top- Pete Hyatt brought up the fact about Russ running down Ithacas. And I remembered it was Ithacas that Russ would bad-mouth so much and how ugly they were. Not Model 21s or Superposed. You will have to show me where he said such things about Superposed and Model 21s. The older guys will remember how he hated Ithacas and constantly ran them down. But 21s and Superposed? Back in 2000 and just after, the Superposed was a hot item and everyone was buying them. I don't ever remember back then that people on here were running them down like that. In fact people on here were talking them up so much back then, I ended up buying 4 or 5 of them. And I never had any rib problems. Russ was a bona fide LC Smith collector. But you'd have to show me Russ said all of that. And put a Superposed, a 21 and an Elsie out on the table today, and I can pretty much guarantee you the LC will be the last one picked. That's how Russ got the nickname -Clunkermeister if I remember. Because his guns were clunkers. And you probably would chose an LC Smith over a 21 or a Superposed of the same grade. That wouldn't surprise anyone who knows you. Good luck.

Pretty tough to get around the fact that guns are the lightening rod of politics. The subjects cross at various junctions whether we like it or not. The owner lets those discussions go on for a bit, and if it gets too rancorous the plug gets pulled. If somebody literally doesn’t go to a hobby site on the internet that Albert Gore Jr. invented because they might hear something about politics or, an unrelated subject (*) I’m guessing that is their prerogative, and, likely, their loss.

So be it. There are sites that they will be much happier at. Never figured everybody would like that bar that I love, either.

Best,
Ted

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* Hockey, motorcycles. Trying to remember but, I don’t recall any vocal complaints when the subject of beer, or, booze came up.

How is love it confessional troll. Good on you!

Wrong.

Try again.

You can make excuses for all the poor behavior you like...all it does is provide support for the fact that criticizing that poor behavior is just as valid here as the poor behavior itself.

Keep up the good work!

No, it's spot on, but that's okay. Denial suits you.

Troll on!

Wrong again!

...and you have no idea what suits me.

Oh, yes, I absolutely do.

Oh, no, you absolutely don't.

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GeoffR, (retiree - just for Brent)
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Russ called them “Butt ugly model 21s”. Said they were on par with Stevens 311s. The only thing you got right in your post, Jimmy, is Pete hated ‘em too.

Best,
Ted

He said that about the FIRST WOOD that originally came out on the 21s. That's quite a bit different than everything you said. Show me where he called 21s and Superposed pieces of "s--t". You can't - and you know it. And he called every Ithaca butt ugly. Like I said, he was a LC Smith collector. People commented on their cross eyed dogs and ugly birds engraving. So, everyone back then called each other's guns ugly quite a bit. But I don't believe he went on and on about 21s and Superposeds like you said. He knew they were a well built gun. Unlike what you said. And EVERYTHING I said WAS correct. Read your post again. Everything YOU SAID was wrong. "Everybody already knows they really are pieces of s***." That's what you said. I don't think that is true. I wonder how many people on here would disagree with you. And it is really pathetic that you have used two people who have passed away and tried to use them to tell such an outrageous lie. And when I pointed it out you still continue to lie. Like always, you managed to spew an overload of BS into a single post about someone's guns that wasn't true. It doesn't work for intelligent people on this board. Now Daryl was nice enough to post an interesting thread for us. Can't we be courteous to the gentleman and enjoy the thread? .......P.S.............. And Geoff- you were on here back then. I might be wrong, but don't recall Russ Ruppel going on and on about Superposed. I think Ted owes you an apology. It doesn't surprise me what he did. Running another person's gun down like he did pretty much tells everyone that he has no pot to P in and just can't afford a decent gun. So, he is accustomed to doing what he did. As you can see, he made no effort to back up what he said- I DID. I was really enjoying the Winchester Model 21s that Daryl posted in the auction. I learned something about the rarities they came up with. He was wrong and totally out of line.

Not as long as you’re here. Shouldn’t you be somewhere, clutching a string of pearls, and worrying aloud about global warming?

Go away, Jimmy. Nothing you said, or, say, is correct.

Ted