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Hello

I have always seen express rifles with pistol grip, no matter what the caliber was....

But I have felt in love with the lines and beauty of an express with no pistol grip, and a plain shotgun style stock.

I am sure most will say pistol grip is necessary for the hand not to move after first shot, surely that is true in 375 and larger calibers, but what about smaller ones??? European calibers such as 9,3x74R could benefit from a non pistol grip stock???

I really like the beautiful and graceful lines of the express with that stock.

I send a photo from a Book (Spanish Best), and was searching for more photos and examples. Maybe someone can share more photos???

I also learned that Doumoline catalogue, offers 4 styles of stock for their double rifles, and they offer a "British style" stock, with a non pistol grip.

I have received a nice photo of a Purdey gun with a straight stock.

Wanted to share with all

Anyway, if someone else can share more examples, I would really appreciate it.

I assume from the cartridge box in the case that the Purdey is in .303 British.

Interspesting they were still using the Jones Underlver (or an improvement), or “Lever Over Guard” as they would term it.

My Galazan .22 double rifle, Model 21, has a straight stock and a splinter forend, in true bird gun style.

Eightbore, can you share some photos of that cute .22 doule rifle???

Pics for RMB, a lovely Lancaster oval bore

Steve, Thanks for posting these. I hope you and others here can offer advice about a proper bullet. The muzzle diameters are about .488 and .505" Any other info much appreciated.

I would start with a pure lead bullet that paper patches up to .487", seated over a lubed felt wad. I had a .451 single barrel that was a sporting/match configuration that as far as I know is still owned by a board member. There was an article written by another board member in the DGJ about how he went about getting his oval bore to shoot.

You might contact the maker, the records still exist.

Steve, What style and weight of bullet would you suggest? The diameter may rule out some readily available candidate. Thanks, Bill

Bill,
It will depend on your paper which will add .006 to .008" to the diameter with two full wraps, you can size bullets as well with a lubesizer. I looked and could not find commercial bullets that I thought would be a good starting place. I thinking a custom mold, throwing a bullet around .479" or so and a heavy bullet(500 grains or so) is the way to start. You might look at the sights for an idea as to bullet weight, lots of height difference and likely a heavy bullet. Might ask on ASSRA if anyone has a mold of about that diameter, check ebay as well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/336136113996?_skw=.480+bullet+mold&itmmeta=01KBTWAMAMTF2GDEAJ43QAE3XT&hash=item4e43460f4c:g:lWUAAeSwzJ1opglm&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA0FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1cpbO6fSnaebXaEU7KkzpXeNT3%2Faxg7OEhVpegNEGUMCQIiBwZ8RKv8efW77ySu0hlYwxlYh7xhETbqQHqQoAHrsj7KaoX7f8hVpxB5DAsr6XLgNmfgJ26HhXH%2FwqBjjmzVOpiYaGteIpOHc27%2BnMGrbfIz4uwpKr%2BSpVLhjsj4s4zHDfS5bhOrckt%2F5rzvLv7YrrLx9hE3euUh49v9ZPEuerGT9z6f6lkfp1zk5zyBQlHNyP7yHsNLeL5Hk5BLUrU%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8DFqtzeZg

Looks like it might be a good starting spot

Can anyone here locate the DGJ article Steve refers to ?

https://www.thedoublegunjournal.net/product-page/spring-2022-print-vol-33

Josh First was the author I believe.

Sreve, Do you see ant possibility in a 480 Ruger mould?

My guess is the rifle will want a larger diameter

In the mean time, I have located 2 more examples of double rifles with straight stock....

First is a Spanish Arrieta in 8x57JRS, beautifully made




Second, is also a Spanish double with unknown brand. In 8x57JRS caliber



It is in a french website: https://www.naturabuy.fr/Express-Artisan-Espagnol-Platines-8x57-jrs-item-13217484.html

Hope someone else can share more interesting photos of similar doubles with straight stock.

SKB, A more careful measurement of the Lancaster bore shows a small diameter of .493" and a large .507". Could you recommend a bullet size to accommodate these dimensions?

Maybe once my power has been restored.

The twist of these barrels seems to be about one turn in ninety inches, maybe it's made to shoot round balls??

You sure could try, with twist that slow it has to be rb or a very short conical. A tight fitting rb should be easy enough to source.

What an interesting subject to post!! Thank you, gentlemen!!

Did you settle on a starting load Bill?

Steve, I haven't had a chance yet to try the Lancaster. I'm having Steve Brooks make an adjustable paper patch mould. I can't say for certain what the twist is, but it seems close to 1 in 60". I'll be able to fiddle with bullet weight to see what works best. It should do well. The bores are like new. I found an article in DGJ by Ross Seyfried where he describes shooting a nearly identical rifle. He uended up using a straight-sided pp bullet. Thanks, Bill

One in sixty would seem to be a very slow twist for any elongated bullet. I shot 60" twists in larger bore roundball rifles but always understood that as the projectile got longer than the diameter it needed more twist to stabilize it.

Just some thoughts based on my experience.

If you know the twist you can run the Greenhill formula to determine the best length of bullet. Then, what I do, is peruse Accurate Molds catalog and fid the right length bullet for the twist, the weight will be secondary to length.

As Stanton mentioned, 1-60 is very slow and definitely a round ball twist.